In this podcast episode, Sebastian welcomes The Kinn founder, Oliver Evans. He shares his journey in the New York nightlife scene, realizing that it wasn’t fulfilling and wanting to find more meaning in life. They talk about Oliver’s spiritual journey, the challenges of self-development, and the importance of integration. He also introduces “The Kinn,” an environment for conscious entrepreneurs, and they discuss conscious entrepreneurship and the balance between doing good and making profits. They also touch on managing anxiety and finding purpose in life. Don’t miss this inspiring episode!

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Show Time Stamps:

  • Oliver’s realization [00:00:33]
  • Transitioning from nightlife [00:02:48]
  • Spiritual journey [00:05:07]
  • The integration process [00:09:21]
  • Finding purpose and shifting life [00:10:42]
  • The vision for The Kinn [00:11:57]
  • Courage and Imagination [00:28:25]
  • Limiting Beliefs and Untrue Ideas [00:25:27]
  • Staying Grounded in Risk and Uncertainty [00:20:26]
  • Oliver’s work as a conscious leader [00:29:42]
  • The importance of conscious entrepreneurship [00:29:58]
  • Expressing gratitude and appreciation [00:30:06]


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Sebastian Naum (00:00:00) – Welcome to the show, Oliver. This is super exciting because this is the first time, first of many, that conscious prophets, unfiltered is being recorded live here at the Kin in Venice, which is an accelerator, a membership network, and a workspace for conscious entrepreneurs, which is right up my alley. So congratulations on launching this.

Oliver Evans (00:00:18) – Thank you for having me.

Sebastian Naum (00:00:19) – Yeah, really exciting. Really exciting. So, Oliver, I start all my podcasts by asking my guest this question. What was your last oh, shit moment? What is the first thing that comes to mind? It could be like a positive, Oh shit. Or it could be a negative. Whatever you want it to be.

Oliver Evans (00:00:33) – I think it was actually this morning having my good friend Hunter McIntyre give us a talk about mindset and winning formula for performance and success. And he talked about getting up in the morning at like 4 a.m. and hitting the ground running. And I’m like, you know what? I got up at seven. I definitely didn’t hit the ground running and what am I doing? I need to start bucking up and, you know, start getting up earlier and really applying myself more than I thought I had before.

Oliver Evans (00:00:58) – And it just shows you you need to start surrounding yourself with others that are like. Upping up their game. So you can actually exceed your expectations of yourself by being in their company. So yeah, that was literally just now I was like, I need to step it up. I need to step up. Okay. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:01:14) – I heard this rule from Tom Liu, who’s also a big podcaster, is a five second rule. If he’s up and he’s awake within five seconds, he has to get out of bed. Yeah. And I thought about that’s an interesting one because it’s almost like it’s like if you go past that those few seconds and it just kind of gets a little cozy and all that, you know, which I think is healthy to do that sometimes. Like, you know, you get a weekend and enjoy that. You know, you talk a balance.

Oliver Evans (00:01:37) – You talk yourself into it. You’re like, Do you know what? I worked hard last night. I got to bed late.

Oliver Evans (00:01:40) – I can I got my eight hours, eight and a half, give or take. But no, you need to be regimented. Get up at a certain time, get on with the day and crank like. Yeah. You know, you feel better for it.

Sebastian Naum (00:01:50) – Yeah, absolutely. You definitely do feel better for it. Yeah. So Ali Oliver because this is the new chapter, right? So, Oliver, you cut your teeth in the New York nightlife. Yeah. And nightclubs promotion, just in hospitality in general by a lot of people’s standards. I mean, you were living bro like that. That is living. Were there moments where you kind of had to pinch yourself because of a certain party you were at or a certain gorgeous model that was vibing you or something like that? Like, what was that like?

Oliver Evans (00:02:21) – Yeah, I mean, you know, coming from a small village in the UK and work my way up the ranks of the New York nightlife scene from being a someone’s sub promoter supplement to earning about, you know, 50 to 100 bucks, but bringing in the two people that I knew to then going to Cannes Film Festival and, and walking the red carpet with Leo and a lot of the top actors.

Oliver Evans (00:02:45) – It was yeah, it was quite the, quite the journey.

Sebastian Naum (00:02:48) – But yeah. And so it was what what about that journey. It just wasn’t, wasn’t cutting it for you because that sounds like an amazing journey for most people. That’s like, Oh, you made it. Like, just keep that going.

Oliver Evans (00:02:58) – That’s what I thought, you know, as a kid. Bright lights, big city, rubbing shoulders with the best of the best when it comes to actors and famous people and people that are super affluent and have all the means. And that’s how you think you want to live life. And I think I was blessed in the sense that I got a taste for that early in my life. And sometimes you need to experience something in order for you to be like, You know what? That’s actually not what I want. And also just spending time with them and realizing a lot of people weren’t actually that happy. They had all all the blessings of of life. And and fortunately, they were just quite numb, a lot of them inside.

Oliver Evans (00:03:33) – And I actually started feeling like that after a few years of being in this, in the nightlife space. Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:03:39) – I think that I have a similar background to yours in the sense of I mean, I was not, not specifically with my job, but I was definitely having living a lot of nightlife and having a lot of fun in that aspect and definitely started feeling unfulfilled. There’s a moment specifically for you that hit you that was that you were like, okay, this is no longer for me. Was it like one big night? You woke up one morning and you’re like, This is it or was it more of a process?

Oliver Evans (00:04:04) – It was definitely a process. It was just, you know, a lot of late nights late. Late mornings, early afternoons and just, you know, became more more of a lifestyle. And obviously, it’s not the healthiest lifestyle. Yeah. And yeah, I kind of 29 I’m approaching 30 just thought to myself, I can’t really live like this any longer.

Oliver Evans (00:04:24) – What am I going to be like a nightclub promoter At 45 years old, there’s rallying women and rich people and getting them seated. I mean, it’s fine. It’s fine. Career. You can make some money from it, but it kind of wasn’t what I set out to do. And I found myself in a situation after 3 or 4 years as being identified as a as the New York Night nightclub promoter. Yeah, it definitely wasn’t a label that I wanted, so it took a while to kind of transition and get out of that. This is a.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:51) – Process. It was this sort of inner voice that was slowly kind of peaking and you’re like, Yeah, this ain’t it.

Oliver Evans (00:04:55) – Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:57) – You told me that you went on this spiritual journey. What is that like? A lot of people don’t really know what that means. Like, what was it like? How long was it? What were you doing?

Oliver Evans (00:05:07) – I mean, you could say spiritual. You can you can say growing up and, you know, trying to understand kind of what who you are, what what you’re supposed to be doing, what is life about, and trying to find a little bit more meaning in the chaos.

Oliver Evans (00:05:22) – Um, so yeah, I did a, I did a workshop. I got introduced to Tony Robbins work quite early on in, in my life and read his books and got the opportunity to go to yeah, Unleash the Power within four day conference in New Jersey. And that was kind of the the one.

Sebastian Naum (00:05:39) – Where where you walk on fire.

Oliver Evans (00:05:41) – Yeah, you walk on fire, you know, and you’ve got the big man on stage beating his chest like a big silverback gorilla. And you know, he I was quite the presence on stage and very, very inspiring to see a guy like that captivate such an audience and obviously talk through what it took for him to build himself because he instead of saying he is who he is, he was born his way. He was like, I built this. I’m seeing a guy that had built from nothing was yeah, it was incredible to, to be part of and experience.

Sebastian Naum (00:06:11) – And so was that the beginning of this sort of journey of getting yourself did you go out and then you traveled somewhere where you doing more workshops, meditating, where you’re taking on different things?

Oliver Evans (00:06:20) – I was a mad personal development junkie.

Oliver Evans (00:06:22) – Yeah, yeah. I was everything to try and understand like where I was and how to better myself and figure out how do I get out of this industry? What is it going to take for me to level up? So I get the skills and the mindset to then evolve into a the person that I wanted to be. So soaking up various workshops doing I did Transcendental Meditation and started really focusing on mindfulness. Yeah, yeah, working out. I did the New York Marathon, you know, to set myself up for, you know, a disciplined routine, getting up earlier and applying myself to something outside of a nightclub.

Sebastian Naum (00:06:58) – Yeah, a marathon sounds so daunting to me. And, you know, and I’m I’m an athlete. I’m athletic and just that sounds like there’s such more of a mental it’s beyond physical right to actually complete the 26 miles. Right. It just sounds gnarly.

Oliver Evans (00:07:13) – Yeah. I mean, it was obviously exhausting. And I actually did it in 2012 with the Hurricane Sandy. So unfortunately it got canceled.

Oliver Evans (00:07:20) – So I did the Central Park loop about, I don’t know, a dozen times. Oh, wow. To get to that 26 mile mark. Interesting. Yeah, not quite as much pressure, but made it round and worth all the training because that’s obviously where the where the growth happens is, is that early mornings and the disciplines are.

Sebastian Naum (00:07:37) – Yeah you know I’m a very wise mother and and she one of the things I was thinking about when you were talking about this sort of self development junkie because I’ve totally gone down that I, I kind of am that and sometimes she’ll be like, just remember, you’re not, you know, you’re not a self improvement project, right? So is this like you’re a human still, you’re not a self improvement project because it could be so easy to get caught into that sort of self development junkie mentality. And almost by doing so much of it, you get into the I’m never enough mindset. I feel like, Do you feel that there’s like a little bit of a balance there sometimes of accepting where you are, but also continuing to climb?

Oliver Evans (00:08:21) – Definitely.

Oliver Evans (00:08:21) – It’s important to educate yourself on the tools and techniques and kind of what’s out there. That’s that’s first and foremost. But once you get to a point where you kind of understand what it’s going to take for you to grow and evolve, you have to apply. You have to fail numerous times again and again and again. And yeah, and I got caught on that habit train of, of doing the next workshop, reading the next book, you know, having that conversation about what I’m going to be doing because I did that incantation in the morning and all that meditation is like, No, you actually need to have the blood and sweat and the tears of working through through projects or businesses or challenging relationships. And that’s that’s really where the juice absolutely.

Sebastian Naum (00:09:00) – It’s the integration. That’s where the key is. And it’s sort of the same. Thing where, for example, I’ll talk to a lot of people that, you know, go on a journey and they’ll do like a plant medicine or ayahuasca or something like that, and where it’s very revealing and it could be very much like hear sort of the answers or these are the tools or this is what you were looking for.

Sebastian Naum (00:09:21) – And that’s almost like that’s really only like 10%, right? 90% of it is coming back to your actual normal life integrating it. And like you said, the blood, sweat and tears and going through that work, right?

Oliver Evans (00:09:32) – Yeah, because it’s interesting. A lot of people are talking about ayahuasca and psychedelics as then the epiphany moment of how you shift your consciousness. Right? And I look at I look at psychedelics like I’m on a boat and I there’s a telescope and I can see the island for the first time because I’ve just cleared the lens. But after the the experience, I haven’t got closer to the boat. I’ve just to the island rather I’ve just seen it through this clear lens for the first time. The integration is mindfulness. It is the breathwork, it is the working out is that all the businesses that you’ve got to set up and fail again and again and again. The daily integration.

Sebastian Naum (00:10:07) – Yeah, absolutely. Integration is everything. I love that. I love that analogy. That’s a really cool analogy.

Sebastian Naum (00:10:13) – Yeah. So for you was there in regards to sort of finding purpose in life, right? You shifted your life, you, you left this sort of old life of yours and kind of move it into a. A new chapter. Was there something that, like where the universe sort of punch you in the face and was like, This is your purpose? Which sometimes people are like, Yo, I was doing this thing and it just struck me like lightning. And this was now my purpose in life. Or was it sort of just a process also in terms of bringing you that way?

Oliver Evans (00:10:42) – Definitely a process. I think naturally I’m quite good at creating experiences and people wanting to jump into the experiences and bringing people together. And obviously nightlife is a form of that, but I was sick of just working within the confines of a nightclub. It was a case of just kind of understanding how I could apply these skills in different domains in my life. So yeah, there definitely wasn’t a one moment kind of shit, right?

Sebastian Naum (00:11:09) – Was there a moment in that journey to where you were like, okay, this whole self-development thing is this is fucking hard.

Sebastian Naum (00:11:14) – Like, I’m just going to go back.

Oliver Evans (00:11:16) – Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there’s always, there’s. But you know what? When you when you’re reading the books or taking the workshop, it’s not that it’s not that that’s not where the, the difficulty is is actually in the implementation. So you fool yourself thinking, wow, I’m thriving, that’s who I am. And then you have to overcome a toxic relationship and see how you go into default mode. And you’re like, I haven’t spend a week with your parents and be like, I am not enlightened in any way. I’m just going back to my default spoilt little kid, you know? Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:11:47) – So, yeah, absolutely. So all of the the journey eventually leads you here. Building a network of conscious entrepreneurs. What exactly is the kin?

Oliver Evans (00:11:57) – So the kin is an environment which empowers startup founders, creators, people that are looking to launch a product or a service and powering them to be the best version of themselves, both personally but also professionally.

Oliver Evans (00:12:12) – Having the resources, whether it be capital, whether it be education, to be the best version of themselves, and also be the best business leaders and most conscious leaders of themselves and and thinking of how we design a place that really helps people flourish is really the essence of the kin.

Sebastian Naum (00:12:31) – I love that. I feel like this is literally exactly what this podcast is about. And the audience this is you’ve built a space for anyone that is listening to this podcast, which is amazing. What’s the big vision? What’s the like? I understand the mission and sort of how it can happen, but what is the big vision like? How do you see like what? What’s that five year, potentially ten years? If you were like, this would be amazing if it happened.

Oliver Evans (00:12:57) – Yeah. I mean, you know, I personally didn’t really want to take on this challenge, to be honest. Like I was just waiting for the likes of a Soho house or another workspace kind of founder to come in and kind of put the pieces together.

Oliver Evans (00:13:13) – But it was just frustration being like, Look, why do I come into a space? And it’s quite surface level in terms of how it’s designed. The conversations that I’m having, it kind of cut and paste of every other space that I’ve ever been in. And then why isn’t there like more depth to it? So, you know, it was a case of just finding out exactly how I can put these pieces together in an intentional environment and how we can scale that in different cities around the world. So it’s a place that people can hang and have more deep rooted conversations and inspire one another. And what we were working on and how we can support one another, that’s really what I’d love to do, replicate the experience here in Venice and take it to different cities around the world. And then thinking about a digital component, how we can have other members that aren’t blessed to live in certain cities, right? Or they don’t want to live in certain places, but still have access to the community and the resources and the inspiration that comes in to just people like you and I having a conversation right now and and what can stem from that? Love that.

Sebastian Naum (00:14:14) – So yeah, I’m excited. I’m excited about it. I’m here for it. So let’s talk a little bit about conscious entrepreneurship and what that means to you. What what are, what distinguishes a conscious entrepreneur from a conventional entrepreneur?

Oliver Evans (00:14:29) – I think when it comes to like convention, it’s look at the status quo. Why do you go into business? Oh, because I there’s a certain like number that I want to hit financially or there’s a status symbol with a particular career path that you’re going down. When it comes to a conscious entrepreneur, you’re thinking about what is the most meaningful problem to me and to the world that I can potentially solve using my my skills, my experience, my background and my my passion and really aligning those things to then be like, okay, I’m uniquely positioned to solve this problem not purely because of the profit, but mainly because of the impact. And the byproduct of the impact is that you are able to be sustainable as a business and obviously make make a living.

Sebastian Naum (00:15:11) – Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Sebastian Naum (00:15:12) – Out of these. So you’ve built successful business in the past. You still have some businesses that are still generating revenue. Yeah. So how have those businesses previously or existing ones, what have. What is. What have they taught you the most about business that you are looking to implement into this conscious entrepreneur journey that you’re embarking?

Oliver Evans (00:15:32) – I think hospitality is a huge a huge piece of it, right? Because even looking at the real estate industry, it’s becoming more of a service focused business. And the fact that I’ve all I’ve been doing is serving people in a in really cool environments internationally, in nightclubs to restaurants and being like, okay, how can this person have the best experience possible? And I feel that that trickles down into any form of business when you’re looking at your customer and being like, Look, how do you create that raving fan? Like what is it going to take for them to walk away from the experience is a better version of themselves. Yeah. So yeah, the hospitality, the thread of that, I’m really kind of taking that into this kind of workspace real estate accelerator type model.

Sebastian Naum (00:16:18) – And what I think is interesting about that is even since the pandemic, I think that that’s even more important now than ever. I think that people are really vibing with experiences more than ever. And of course, you know, there’s you go to a whether it’s a talk or any sort of event, you typically forget about what people were saying or the conversations, but you don’t forget the feeling. You go home and you tell your friends about it the next day or whatever because it’s based on what you felt and you come back based on the feeling. And sure, hopefully you can take some nuggets from that conversation. But that feeling that we were talking about is creating that experience is so key.

Oliver Evans (00:16:56) – 100%.

Sebastian Naum (00:16:57) – Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it’s something that’s really interesting to me. Oliver In this sort of conscious business and mission driven entrepreneurship space is that we can get caught up in the do good aspect of something so much to such an extent that could also be really kind of easy to forget about the profits.

Sebastian Naum (00:17:18) – How important is it to still keep profits top of mind in order to keep that mission and that North Star alive?

Oliver Evans (00:17:27) – I mean, profits are essential. We’re running in a capitalist society is run by money. So in order for you to hire the best talent to invest in technology, invest in your staff, invest in your employees and the customer, you have to make money first and foremost. It’s just just the way it is. So when thinking about the business model and the problem you’re trying to solve, first things first is really understanding how are you going to monetize this business? So yeah, separating the two things is super important.

Sebastian Naum (00:17:56) – And without the profits, you really can’t have an impact.

Oliver Evans (00:17:59) – Precisely. Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:18:01) – So it’s, that’s the thing. That’s what I love about the, you know, the whole conscious capitalism movement is that it allows you to scale good, it allows you to scale impact. Otherwise, we’re sort of a donation based type nonprofit models, which are beautiful nonprofits, do some amazing work, but without those donations, they don’t work.

Sebastian Naum (00:18:18) – So it’s sort of combining the good of all of it, right?

Oliver Evans (00:18:21) – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I can go more into it, but I had an experience when I was out overseas. I went to a conference. It was Stand By Ukraine. It was hosted by Global Citizen and I was in front of a lot of nonprofits and organizations. And it was it was obvious to me that they were so dependent on how much money that they could raise that it was just about that next check versus thinking about the long term and thinking about how are you going to invent this technology that is going to make maximum impact. Yeah. And how are you going to get these best, whether it be like various talent in different domains to get them engaged enough like for them to see through all the work that you need to be done. Like it’s it was just obvious to me that things needed to change. It was up to more of an agile entrepreneur that knew how to make money to then really make that impact in addition to obviously nonprofits which are super important and impact organizations.

Oliver Evans (00:19:21) – But you just have to think about it more beyond raising cash. And yeah, dude.

Sebastian Naum (00:19:26) – It’s funny because I am of this school. I learned that I never had funding for any projects. I always had to figure out, okay, this entrepreneur is entrepreneurial project needs to make money in order to continue. So how is that going to work? And tech sort of brought on this whole new world of the sexiness behind Angel and Seed round and first and second rounds and all this stuff and it’s like, What? So wait, the winning is just the raising. Like, it’s like, so crazy. The actual business.

Oliver Evans (00:19:58) – Exactly. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:19:59) – It’s such an interesting thing.

Oliver Evans (00:20:01) – Forget about the profitability piece. It’s like how much money you raised.

Sebastian Naum (00:20:04) – Yeah, exactly. So, Oliver, you know, you’re launching a physical brick and mortar, you know, business endeavor, you know, and you’ve had a lot of success, but doing something like this can really be, you know, it is risky, right? There is a lot of uncertainty.

Sebastian Naum (00:20:20) – How do you personally stay grounded? Did win that sort of risk and uncertainty kind of hits.

Oliver Evans (00:20:26) – Um. Yeah, I think it’s like remaining you’re looking at your lifestyle and being like, okay, I have these many hours to work, but I also have to ensure that my, my mind right? So it’s like ensuring I’m working out in the morning, I’m meditating. I have a technique where I try to think ahead of everything’s already happened. I’m just living in reverse and letting that unfold naturally. So thinking, okay, I’ve already launched ten locations, we have 10,000 members, what would I regret not being in my moment right now? The fact that it’s already happened and start acting that way versus thinking, acting out of lack and scarcity. Yeah. You know, because, you know, at the start of any endeavor, there’s obviously a lot of risk. But if you switch your mindset to be like, okay, what would I act like if it already happened? Yeah. And then going back in time, I’m trying to be as, as intentional about that as possible and applying that.

Sebastian Naum (00:21:20) – Yeah, that’s amazing. How do you not allow that to get in some sort of like anxiety mode? Right. Because anxiety typically kind of crawls in with like this sort of fear of the future and like if something’s not happening. So you’re it’s already happened for you. Right? And you kind of work in backwards. So as you’re doing that, if things kind of aren’t going that way, do you just I just constantly adapting or adapting to it.

Oliver Evans (00:21:43) – I’m I kind of laugh me like this is all part of the journey. Yeah. This is where this is where the growth is. This is. This is great. This is exactly what I need. I need this challenge to overcome because I know. I know where I’m going, where I am already. Yeah. This is just something to savor.

Sebastian Naum (00:21:59) – And so it’s like it’s just trusting. It’s this constant, just trusting and trusting.

Oliver Evans (00:22:02) – And trusting and belief that this is. This is all manifesting the way it’s supposed to manifest. Perfect.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:07) – This moment is perfect.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:08) – This moment is.

Oliver Evans (00:22:09) – Precisely and again, to get to that place, you have to do all the other things, the preparation, because otherwise you’re going go into your like primitive self and your monkey mind and think these things are going to come. So yeah, as much as you can get the prep work done to get yourself into that state. Yeah, I love that.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:25) – It’s, it is a great state. It’s a great reminder. But you’re right, you do have to do the work beforehand. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. You know, the other day we were having a conversation. I was like, Oliver, are you just how are you feeling right now? You must be overwhelmed because, I mean, you’ve got meetings non-stop and you’ve got networking events and dinners and talks and this and that. Are you just, like, tired as hell? And you were like, Not really, man. You were like, I’m actually kind of energized from it. And I loved hearing that from you.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:53) – And so do you feel that feeling energized is a tell that you’re on the right path?

Oliver Evans (00:23:00) – 100%? Yeah. I define any relationship, any task, any place I visit energetically. Is it depleting energy right now or is it giving me energy like this conversation right now, for example? And if you. Yeah, you can steer your life and navigate in a way where it’s more aligned with your energy versus your, your logical mind being like, Oh yeah, the pros and cons. But no, but how would you actually feel? And I try to use that as my North Star, my, my compass as I go about my day.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:29) – I love that. Yeah, I love that man. Yeah. Because I feel energized as we’re having this conversation. Yeah, I’m going to leave this conversation energized, right? You’re absolutely right. So it’s like, how do you sort of in touch with your intuition you’re feeling how that lives. It’s so easy to just go back up here. Like it’s just like you just go back up here.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:42) – Pros and cons. Pros and cons. Yeah.

Oliver Evans (00:23:45) – Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:46) – So there’s a lot of people out there that probably feel stuck. Entrepreneurs that are sort of yearning for more for purpose. How? Like, what do you tell those people? How do they sort of start that journey to get unstuck from the sort of everyday, typical sort of capitalistic way finding purpose?

Oliver Evans (00:24:09) – So you can look at it two ways, stuck in terms of just themselves wanting to better and like going to a new business endeavor or start from being more corporate, old way of doing business to a new way of doing business. I can answer both.

Sebastian Naum (00:24:22) – Yeah, the latter.

Oliver Evans (00:24:23) – Yeah. Yeah. I think experience. I think put yourself in uncomfortable situations, seek out moments of of growth, whether it’s like volunteering for voluntary work or whether it’s culturally rich travel or people that have done things that inspire you to go out and speak to them and seek mentorship or even just a conversation or a coffee because it’s experience that shift things internally that really, really move you experience.

Oliver Evans (00:24:52) – Yeah, yeah. It’s it’s there’s a lot.

Sebastian Naum (00:24:55) – Of limiting beliefs for sort of traditional business, which is the majority. I think we’re surrounded by so many people that care a lot about mission driven things and things like that, but the majority of the world still doesn’t operate that way. Right? So that’s sort of that’s what we’re doing here. We’re trying to promote that. But I do think that there’s probably a lot of limiting beliefs and ideas that people have, like, Oh, no, that’s that’s too woo woo, that doesn’t really work. You can’t really scale that. There’s no money in that. Do you feel that there’s a lot of sort of those limiting beliefs that are just untrue?

Oliver Evans (00:25:27) – Oh, 100%. Yeah. We all have limiting beliefs. We all have a unique point of view that’s inhibiting us day to day. Our job is just to turn that limiting belief into white noise because it’s always going to be there. Everyone’s always going to have some sort of insecurity about themselves, but it shouldn’t dictate how you live your life.

Oliver Evans (00:25:46) – So the goal through various ways, like I mentioned, experience, like mindfulness, exercise, great, healthy, joyful relationships, seek these things out and you’ll get to a place where they’re no longer determining how you step, how you show up in your day to day. Um, so yeah, it’s, it really is getting out there.

Sebastian Naum (00:26:09) – Yeah, it is getting out there. I’m excited that I’m starting to see more of the big corporations implementing some of these experiences. There are either hiring consultants to bring in more consciousness into their companies or working with big programs. They’re coming in and they’re sort of implementing like you couldn’t even say the word meditation 15 years ago to corporation. That was like, what? You know? So I am excited about that because there’s a lot of it’s not just you don’t just have to be a founder or an entrepreneur. You can be an entrepreneur. You could be somebody that’s already in a corporation. You’re like, Hey, look, like being an entrepreneur doesn’t work for me and I need to put food on the table.

Sebastian Naum (00:26:45) – And I love this consistency of my paycheck and I love working for a big corporation because it can cause and generate a lot bigger impact than maybe me isn’t a business owner. And I think that there’s there’s a lot of courage and amazingness in that because, you know, we sort of we do glorify entrepreneurship or entrepreneurs. We that’s sort of like the new, like cool thing out there. Right? But I think it’s also amazing to be an entrepreneur as someone that’s already in a company. It’s like, how can I make a change inside of something that’s already happening? How can I make ripples so that it starts to make big changes within a big company? Definitely.

Oliver Evans (00:27:19) – You know, it’s just as important. There’ll be no. One entrepreneurship without people that within the organization running the business. So it’s arguably more important than those guys are setting up businesses. Absolutely. Yeah. And it’s also empowering, right? You’re not being run by what the organization says they should be run by culturally, how they do business.

Oliver Evans (00:27:40) – You’re thinking outside the box and most organizations really, really appreciate someone thinking differently. Absolutely. And you know, Steve Jobs, I think Google will have a Google where they have a program that really encourages out the box thinking and even departments and resources that support that, where you have a portion of your time devoted to experimenting with different products and services. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:04) – So yeah, I love this concept because I think it really is important for people to know that it’s not just for you as a founder or an entrepreneur. This is so important for everybody. Yeah. So, Oliver, I want to ask you one of my final questions, which is what are the top two traits that you believe a conscious leader must embody today?

Oliver Evans (00:28:25) – Um, courage. Definitely courage. And that takes work. So, like, cultivating that courage, as much as you can, seek out heart hardness and seek out suffering, I think that’s a good thing. Um. Imagination, you know. Think more than your norm, your day to day.

Oliver Evans (00:28:43) – How can you elevate your thinking and think in a way that is more creative? Get in those situations and seek those people out and go to those. Go to those experiences. Those two things. Yeah. Courage and courage and imagination.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:58) – Absolutely. Love it. So, Oliver, for those who are not physically in Los Angeles, who should definitely come and check out the space here in Venice, how can people get involved with the kin that are not physically here in L.A.

Oliver Evans (00:29:09) – Definitely follow us on Instagram. Right. So the Kincaid, that’s one big way and then get on our newsletter, subscribe on the website and you’ll be informed on all the other all the things that are taking place. A lot of it is happening here in LA right now, but we are striking up partnerships in London and various other places where we’ll be doing like off sites and obviously new locations potentially, but just and guest speakers, if they’re in town and they want to come to an event, that’s another way they can get involved in the kitchen.

Oliver Evans (00:29:35) – And I’m always open to other ideas and people that, you know, want to work together. Great as.

Sebastian Naum (00:29:42) – Well. Love it. Love it. So for anyone out there listening or watching, of course all the links will be in the show notes. And Oliver, keep doing what you’re doing, brother. You truly are a conscious leader. So thank you for being on and keep doing you. And I’m very excited to be a part of this conscious entrepreneur network.

Oliver Evans (00:29:58) – Thank you for having me. Yeah, thank thank you for what you’re doing. It takes more people like you stepping up and really shining the bright light on on conscious entrepreneurship.

Sebastian Naum (00:30:06) – So thank you, Oliver. Thanks so much, brother.