In this podcast episode, Sebastian and Justine engage in a heartfelt conversation that explores personal experiences, grief, love, and vulnerability. Central to their dialogue is the concept of community, resonating within mission-driven movements and conscious businesses. Touching on conscious living, ethical practices, and the yearning for genuine connection, they highlight empathy’s role in leadership. Justine’s insights on grief, co-devotion, and community-building add depth. Experience this inspiring episode celebrating human emotions and empathetic leadership in purposeful endeavors.

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Show Time Stamps:

  • [00:00:10] Justine’s emotional experience and grief cycles.
  • [00:02:08] Sharing vulnerability on Instagram, desires for love.
  • [00:05:37] Transformative moment witnessing grandmother’s passing.
  • [00:10:53] Community’s impact on belonging and unconditional love.
  • [00:13:33] Self-supporting mechanism and unity in thriving communities.
  • [00:13:49] Shared core values in communities for connection.
  • [00:17:17] Hosting events, fostering personal connections.
  • [00:19:40] Support for conscious businesses and practitioners.
  • [00:23:16] Sustainability commitment, clothing swaps.
  • [00:26:04] Realization about animal energy and meat consumption.
  • [00:27:08] Ethical considerations in consuming animals.
  • [00:30:04] Community’s role in well-being, multigenerational wisdom.
  • [00:34:21] Universality of community, even in challenges.
  • [00:36:19] Gratitude and hope shaping positive reality.
  • [00:41:39] Cliques and ego in communities.
  • [00:45:44] Vulnerability’s power in connecting.
  • [00:47:34] Justine’s coming out journey.
  • [00:50:19] Strength in vulnerability, changing perceptions.
  • [00:53:04] Coming out to family, emotional reactions.
  • [00:54:08] Vulnerability fostering openness in others.
  • [00:57:52] Parenting with emotional authenticity.
  • [01:00:43] Desire for co-devotional partnerships.
  • [01:02:53] Deep connections in couples.
  • [01:05:29] Genuine connections in digital spaces.
  • [01:09:33] Community building in Web3 space.
  • [01:10:09] Navigating conflicts within communities.
  • [01:18:18] Remembered for creating love.
  • [01:19:16] Empathy, leading with love, human connections.
  • [01:20:17] Exciting community projects.

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Sebastian Naum (00:00:01) – This is going to be fun. Yeah, it’s going to go all over the place.

Justine Bean (00:00:04) – It is. It’s going to be great.

Sebastian Naum (00:00:05) – It’s going to go all over. This is going to be bullshit. All that research for nothing.

Justine Bean (00:00:10) – It’s funny because I planned to listen to all three episodes last night and then I. Yeah, but I wanted to just, like, do some research. And then there’s something about maybe today being the Lionsgate portal. I just cried for like four straight hours last night. Like, Holy shit, stop crying. Wow. And I was just like, in it. Yeah, there’s been a lot of grief cycles this summer, and so it was just like, Yeah, So I am completely unprepared, but which means I’m the most prepared. That’s perfect. But sans orgasm. Well.

Sebastian Naum (00:00:38) – That’s great. Well, here’s the thing for context. We’ve started already. Just. Yeah. Okay. So the the first question I asked everybody is what was your last. Oh, shit moment? And I feel like you just answered it that you really cried last night for.

Justine Bean (00:00:53) – Absolutely. Yeah. There was just something. I think either I’m taking a new supplement that I don’t know about or something is just hitting my system differently. But yeah, I’ve had quite a few brief moments of like deep heart tenderness this summer, and I just really wanted to call my Nana last night. And she’s passed for the last seven years. And I just, like I hit a new grief level for, for like remembering her. And it was just like four hours of straight release. Wow. So cathartic. Yeah. So grateful for moments like that. And. Yeah, and I called like, my godmother and she talked me through it and she just connected to me, to my angels. She’s the white, which is what everybody calls her. She is a very special human and it was just exactly what I needed last night. So as a result, I did not get to listen to your three most popular episodes. But my intention was an.

Sebastian Naum (00:01:48) – Incredible experience, though. Yeah. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:01:50) – I was actually going to ask you two about I saw your post that you said that you felt like you had an energy shifting and there’s like something brewing and usually that what that means, like you don’t really know what that means, but something’s about to happen and it’s gone in different directions in the past, so we don’t know what that is. But that also then led into these four hours of grief that you had.

Justine Bean (00:02:08) – Absolutely, like literally posting that on Instagram, which is it’s so silly because like a post on Instagram, but somehow just sharing that with the world and with my friends and my community, it literally like the second I hit post is when I started to cry. It was just like this release of a thing. The vulnerability of saying in the post like, Oh, like, is it a new human in my life? Is it a baby? Like I’m freezing in the fall? Like, that’s been super present for me. You know, I’m really I’m desiring a life partner and to create a family with someone.

Justine Bean (00:02:40) – And so to share that sort of very publicly is always a vulnerable and intimate moment, especially when you’re like telling the Internet that you don’t want anyone to, like, talk to you about private stuff like that, like the strangers. And then at the same time, you want the people who love you and know you to have that kind of information, because also they might know somebody. You know, at my birthday last year when I turned 35, I had 150 friends, my friends property in Ojai. And I shared a speech, actually, about love and what it means to me and what turning 35 meant to me and this like arbitrary threshold that I had created for myself of like when I was younger, if I didn’t have X, Y, and Z by 35, then my life would be worthless. And that’s kind of this mentality that I had growing up. And then here I was 35, in front of 150 of my friends in basically naked in this giant like tall blue robe or the huge crown in my head.

Justine Bean (00:03:36) – And it was just like the most magical moment of my life. And I didn’t have any of those things, but I had something so much better and I couldn’t imagine my life in any other way. And I said it into the crowd. It was like if I died in that moment, I would I would die living a fulfilled life and have no regrets. And there are certain things that still are on my plate that I do desire to have. And so, of course.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:01) – Are you afraid of dying?

Justine Bean (00:04:02) – I’m not afraid of dying. I’m afraid of dying because I want to live so much, because I love life so much. But I’m not afraid of dying.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:10) – So it’s maybe it’s not necessarily a fear of dying. It’s just kind of don’t want to. Yeah, sometimes.

Justine Bean (00:04:17) – It’s not that I’m afraid I’m not ready to. Yeah, exactly. I’m not ready to. Right. Because, yeah, life is just so fucking awesome.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:24) – So fucking awesome, right? Yeah. Did you ever have, like, was there a moment in your life that caused you to lose your fear of death? Because that usually happens to a lot of people that have no fear, whether that is in a near death experience or in a sort of like altered consciousness state or whatever it may be.

Sebastian Naum (00:04:41) – You know.

Justine Bean (00:04:42) – I’ve had a few ultra conscious moments for sure, but my whole life actually changed when I met Death through my grandma. So seven years ago is kind of like I call it post pre Nana and post Nana life and like pre post Covid, pre Covid. My life was I was an archaeologist. I was living as an academic. I was living a very unaligned life, even though I’d wanted to do that since I was five years old and I was living a life of kind of like just a very traditional path, I didn’t have any other options available to me because I didn’t know to think outside the box, even though I was already outside the box compared to other people. Yeah. And what I had chosen as a profession. But then my grandma, she got terminal cancer and so I stopped my PhD and I took care of her for a year full time. And in the process of witnessing her passed away. And then in that and that moment of of her actual passing and holding her hand, I didn’t know what energy reading was at the time.

Justine Bean (00:05:37) – I was not at all in this world that we are now or that I am at least in now. But I physically felt the love that my Nana had created in her life, and that was in the room with us leave with her to the other side when she passed, like I physically felt it go. And in that moment I realized the only thing that we take with us to the other side is love. It’s the only thing that transcends time, space and dimension. Like you can love someone that you haven’t seen in 50 years. Still like your heart pangs for them, right? Like you could love someone theoretically in another planet. Like if they go to space, like that’s the only thing that does that besides light. And so I had so much peace in knowing that when I felt that from her or in that moment. And so if that’s the only thing that matters, it was the only thing I wanted to dedicate my whole life to. And I reoriented my entire life after that. Took a few years, but towards the creation of love, because that’s my life’s purpose now.

Justine Bean (00:06:29) – I love that. And so it gave me so much peace knowing that that is the next chapter.

Sebastian Naum (00:06:35) – Love that I was very, very close to my grandma as well. And she she actually came and she visited in a dream last night. And it hadn’t I hadn’t. I’m trying to think of it. It’s happened ever since she passed.

Justine Bean (00:06:47) – When was it that she passed?

Sebastian Naum (00:06:48) – So she passed this year earlier this year. And so it hasn’t been that long. And it was really strange because the dream she didn’t really talk. She didn’t she just my mom brought down the back of her shirt and she had tattoos on her back and she fucking hated tentacles. So, like, she like when I got a tattoo, like when I got tattoos, like, I hid them forever. Right. I know that.

Justine Bean (00:07:15) – I remember that feeling. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Sebastian Naum (00:07:17) – Yeah. And so she had these symbols and it was a whoa. Interesting. So I wrote down a couple of the symbols that I did remember, and I started doing like, mass amounts of research around them, obviously.

Sebastian Naum (00:07:28) – And I’m hoping that she comes back totally, but I love that she was. Yeah, yeah. I just love that she was like the most accepting human of me. She was like the biggest fan of me. And I like, I just loved it because she empowered me to to be me very much, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same. I feel like we’re both. Yeah, yeah. I feel like we’re both very lucky in terms of the families that we’ve grown up with and the love that we’ve received, you know, the more. Yeah. Also, you said that you have what did you say about a morning ritual that you didn’t get to do? Oh, come on. Share with us. Right before we started recording. You’re like, I have a morning ritual that I didn’t get to do.

Justine Bean (00:08:04) – I didn’t get to do it this morning because I had a work call, actually. But before I because I also was a sex loving relationship coach for four years. So I got in the practice of studying Tantra to have an orgasm before I was coaching.

Justine Bean (00:08:17) – And then I would dance this very specific song from daybreak or daybreak. Yeah, right. Yeah. So we’re Sunrise Dance Party that our friends created one of my favorite events. But the song, it’s called Open Your Eyes and it’s all about love and choosing love and and open your eyes to the day. And so I have an orgasm. And then I listen to this song. And I danced my face off. And I didn’t get to do it this morning.

Sebastian Naum (00:08:36) – We’re off, so it’s all fucked up.

Justine Bean (00:08:38) – I know now when I’m doing something important like this, like like a coaching call or a presentation or like something that, like, really needs to get jazzed about.

Sebastian Naum (00:08:44) – That’s when I do it. Orgasm dance party. Then you get into it.

Justine Bean (00:08:47) – Yeah. So I’m going to do it after this.

Sebastian Naum (00:08:49) – Which is so, yeah. So you’re like.

Justine Bean (00:08:52) – Justine.

Sebastian Naum (00:08:52) – Go so weird.

Justine Bean (00:08:55) – Dance party in the.

Sebastian Naum (00:08:56) – Bathroom. Definitely. I would guarantee that if it happened on the podcast, it would improve the ratings of the podcast.

Sebastian Naum (00:09:02) – I did ask.

Justine Bean (00:09:02) – You what your most popular episode was. It turns out it’s going to be one with an orgasm.

Sebastian Naum (00:09:07) – Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Which is so funny because it’s so it’s the literally the opposite. Like for a man, like, totally. I have to get all jazzed up about something that’s true. Even like working with my kundalini energy. Like I just recently did a thing where I did 40 days straight of Kundalini meditations every morning. I never done it like straight like that. In fact, for a long time I had yeah, I mean I had practiced Kundalini many times in the past and I didn’t really love it. It’s just it can be very tiring and exhausting. There’s very repetitive, lots of repetitive breath and body movements, right? And then so when I decided to do it for 40 days in a row and it sort of like a shortened manner, I fucking loved it. Justine Like, I got so much energy from it. It totally honed down my sexual energy.

Sebastian Naum (00:09:53) – I because as a man, you’re kind of like you’re just want to have sex all the time, right? And like, you’re basically like, you’re just like, that’s your life force energy. So if you have an orgasm like you’re giving away your life force energy, you now have less energy to create. It’s like it’s so wild. It’s the opposite. It’s the.

Justine Bean (00:10:07) – Opposite. That’s true. I hadn’t thought about that. Yeah, that’s true.

Sebastian Naum (00:10:10) – So with this Kundalini stuff, like I was like I had actually what’s odd is it was the least desire to have sex that I’d had for a long time, but not in a bad way. I was like, Oh, I’m turned off. It was more so it’s honed in. I can concentrate, I can focus, I can create. And then if I need to activate my sexual energy, then it’s super activated.

Justine Bean (00:10:29) – It’s like. Right. Available to you.

Sebastian Naum (00:10:31) – Exactly. So just so interesting how the human bodies.

Justine Bean (00:10:35) – The human body continues to amaze me every fucking day.

Sebastian Naum (00:10:39) – Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I had a feeling that I wouldn’t have even gotten into my first question and yeah, but that’s just how it’s going to go. I love it. What is your your definition of community?

Justine Bean (00:10:53) – So community, to me, it’s a really great question. What’s the formal definition? Honestly, to me it’s a feeling one. It’s something that I had never experienced pre seven years ago, which is why I call my life literally pre and post Nana because that whole experience changed my life in a direction Like I would not be sitting here in LA if that had not happened, I would have gone right back to my old life not knowing that there was space for other things to develop. And then in the process of grieving her, I got into meditation for the first time and I joined what would become the big, quiet and muddy club. It was my friend Jesse Israel. You probably know Jesse. He lives here now and it was the first time I’d ever resonated with people that were like part of something.

Justine Bean (00:11:37) – That was just something I enjoyed instead of like, I’m in college and these are my friends, or I’m at work and these are my friends, like friends of convenience. And it’s not to discount those relationships. They have their purpose and their experiences and joys, but those are like out of situational things, right? And these are like an act of choosing. And so community for me for the first time was a sense of belonging, right? And I’d never had that before. I always felt like the odd one out growing up. It was I was a tomboy. I was always the weird kid. I had a really hard time like making friends. I had like one best friend always. And then I was like a group popper because I was so afraid to, like, be rejected. I think because it had happened so many times. And so that feeling of belonging is really it just it’s so it’s so key to the human condition.

Sebastian Naum (00:12:25) – It really is.

Justine Bean (00:12:25) – It’s a survival mechanism, right? Like, if you don’t belong, it means you get kicked out and then you’re dead.

Justine Bean (00:12:29) – Right? Basically. And so for me now, my definition of community has evolved into it includes so much deep love for me and unconditional love. Like anybody I consider in my community, I would say that I have unconditional love for it doesn’t mean that they have to have it for me back, but I absolutely feel it. I feel it for you. I feel it for Oliver, who runs the Kin, like all of it. And the way that I find communities work the best is when I always do this. This motion I’m telling and I speak with my hands, but like it’s like the self fulfilling self sufficient experience. And so communities that succeed and thrive and ones that I’ve created and co-created and been part of, the ones that really grow are the ones that, like every member, is supporting each other. Like I have a need, I’m going to present it to the community. Who in the community can meet that need or like give me someone in their network to meet that need. And then I hire, work with et-cetera, support them, and then everybody else has seen that I’m coming to them, right? And then they come back to me for when they have something right.

Justine Bean (00:13:33) – And it becomes this sort of like exactly self supporting mechanism. And so everybody feels like everybody is on the same team.

Sebastian Naum (00:13:40) – So there’s unconditional love, there’s a sort of self supporting mechanism, right? So there’s this feeling of everyone on the same team right now at the same time. Yes, of course.

Justine Bean (00:13:49) – They’re important.

Sebastian Naum (00:13:49) – Shared core values like Burning Man.

Justine Bean (00:13:51) – Perfect example, right? The ten principles. They’re not rules, they’re principles. All the communities that I’ve created natively, none of them actually have like formal rules or boundaries in them. Like when you’re in community, as some people call it, a blob, you know, like we all sort of weave in and out of them. I think of them as more like Venn diagram. So Burning Man is one of them. Reality is another one. Summit is another one. And all the more that we’re in, the more in the core of the community or and the nature of on the periphery. But everyone sort of has the same values. Yeah, right.

Justine Bean (00:14:24) – Alliance life, freedom of expression, conscious awakening of some kind of conscious business. All of. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:14:31) – You know. Okay. So one thing that you said there that really like lit up the lightbulb for me was the sense of belonging, right? Because this is something, like you said, it’s so crucial for everyone. Everyone has that. Yeah, I that’s something that’s been important for me, a theme in my life. It’s something that I’ve weaved in and out of, like the feeling of belonging and then the feeling of not belonging. And then one thing that I’ve realized more recently is that like random triggers, I’m very like, I’m always trying to notice, like, what’s triggering me, right? Like. Almost like. Yeah, like it’s like I’m almost like a like a growth mindset junkie sometimes. Like self-development junkie, which is, like, to a fault sometimes, but sometimes, like, okay, relax. Like, you’re not a self development project. Right, right, right.

Sebastian Naum (00:15:12) – Sometimes you have to, like, ease off, but it’s good to be able to be aware constantly. Like, why did that feel off? Like, why am I hurt or why am I this or that? And I’ve noticed with the whole sense of belonging thing, right? How random things have triggered the insecurity related to sense of belonging. And so I think the one thing you said was important, though, is ultimately, though, that sense of belonging does have to come from within. Right? Because like you said, like sometimes not everything is reciprocated. One thing I’ve noticed, at least from your sort of being part of some of your communities and whether that is in like a groups of several hundred people on WhatsApp or whatever it may be, it’s like you were always giving, right? So people are asking for different things and it seems like you are obviously you’re a super connector. You’ve got this magical power that you know everyone and everything in that sense and like, you know, someone for everything.

Sebastian Naum (00:16:08) – And so you’re always giving resources and providing resources. And so there’s no way that all that you give is equally, quote unquote, reciprocated. So that doesn’t have to be something that really. Right. Constituents to the definition of community necessarily. Right. Right. Because you may be giving more than you’re receiving.

Justine Bean (00:16:26) – I think it’s less about like how much am I giving, how much am I receiving? It’s more about that people know that you’re that you’re interested in being supported and supporting. Right? And so some people are just able to give more. And some people it’s always an ebb and flow, right? I don’t think there’s like a heart and fastness to it. And some people just always hang out in the periphery and that’s also okay. But they’re also witnessing the people that are doing that and they’re like, Oh, this community really cares about each other. These people are friends. Yeah. And my community community with friends in particular, I think one of the reasons it grew and like sustained itself so connected during Covid, which is when I started it right before Covid hit, is because a lot of other communities inherently, because they’re so big and like people are spread out all all over the place, they don’t actually meet up very often.

Justine Bean (00:17:17) – Right? Like there’s like little pockets of people. But I found with this particular one, when Covid first ended the first time, one of the things that I did very consciously was I hosted something for three months straight, like literally almost every single night, because I wanted all those people to have an opportunity to meet in person and like find their own means of connection to each other. Before that, I was the only common denominator. And people needed to see that, like, these are humans with hearts and faces that I can relate to on my own. And now, like the community has self actualized itself, which is what happens when those things love that those factors are in play. Because all I do now, people are like, Oh, how are you? This did it. All I do is hype. Woman Right. Like, I don’t actually have to do very much. Like I’m active in the chats because I’m always supporting people, like showing the other people in the community. Like, these are people worth supporting.

Justine Bean (00:18:09) – Sure. And then they get that same sort of like, feeling back, Oh, you’re right, they are. And I’m going to get that back from them too. And so I’m more inclined to do that myself. And so I don’t really do that much. I just like make the little micro moments of that. And then people do it themselves. They make their own events. UN jam, perfect example like that started on my roof, the song Circle in LA with Colin, my co-host, and he’s taking it and like it’s blossomed into the most heart connective experience ever. And it’s one of the things I’m actually the most proud of. That’s amazing. People now invite me to and they’re like, Oh, have you been to jam that?

Sebastian Naum (00:18:42) – No way.

Justine Bean (00:18:43) – I have been.

Sebastian Naum (00:18:45) – I started that shit. Yo. Yeah, that’s amazing.

Justine Bean (00:18:48) – That was insecure about singing in front of my friends.

Sebastian Naum (00:18:51) – So cool.

Justine Bean (00:18:51) – It was an edge. I love.

Sebastian Naum (00:18:52) – That. Yeah, that is so cool. One of the things that I’ve noticed is that when you are being hype woman and you are constantly promoting whether it is professional services, somebody like a practitioner or a brand or a movement or a business, it’s virtually always very much mission driven, right? So there’s, it’s always, you know, a lot of what this podcast is about and conscious business, right? But all of these businesses that you’re promoting are typically very much conscious businesses or mission driven and the practitioners, all these things, right? So do you have, first of all, like, what does that mean to you? How important is that to you in regards to community? And then do you have like a criteria that you sort of like figure out, okay, this is worth promoting? Because I do feel that there’s enough mission in this or there’s enough impact or this not so much type of thing.

Justine Bean (00:19:40) – Great question. Also, I’m going to shift the language a little bit just because language is words are spells, right? And so saying the word promoting, I’m going to shift it to say something like supporting.

Sebastian Naum (00:19:52) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:19:52) – Because promoting to me, like I think of like a club promoter or something like that, like what I’m doing or the way that I interpret it at least is like. Worrying the people that I care about and their. Their companies and their missions and things like that. Because I don’t want people to ever feel like I’m selling them on something because that’s actually not my motivation at all. Like I’m merely presenting things in a silver platter. And if this resonates with you, it’s come from a trusted resource that I know and then have at it. Yeah, so that’s kind of how I think about it. And so with the people that I’m supporting or companies that I’m excited about. Being a conscious entrepreneur is really important to me. I would consider myself one. Being conscious about the environment, social issues, all of those things like you can’t live in this world and not have a stake in something like that at this point.

Justine Bean (00:20:42) – Like audiences, communities, customers, however you want to look at it, and none of them are resonating with businesses that don’t do that anymore, right? Like they’re just not going to succeed.

Sebastian Naum (00:20:51) – And especially Gen Z two as it’s coming in, it’s like it’s just that’s the way of the world. Like, you better get with it. Exactly like the like the traditional capitalist businesses like you, you’re going to have to change.

Justine Bean (00:21:02) – It’s the top down sort of mentality. And I’m always like, Well, why don’t we just ask the customers or the audience or the community what it is they want. So many people just tell you what you want. And in my experience and what I do in my business is I always ask people and they want to care. They want companies and brands that care about them and they care about what they want, you know? And so it’s funny that that all of my companies are things that I’m supporting are mission driven because most of it is I’m actually just supporting the person that I believe in behind it.

Justine Bean (00:21:33) – And I’ve obviously done my research. I wouldn’t like promote or support something that I didn’t believe in at all, but I haven’t been to something like an event or a music show or something like that that wasn’t supporting somebody. I know personally in like three years, probably. Like I haven’t just like gone to a concert because every night of my life pretty much is not an exaggeration, is doing something to support somebody I know and they’re all fucking amazing offerings. Like my life is so full of different activations and like such a variety of things, but they’re all doing something really fucking cool in this world and I want to show them that I care and then I’m supporting them and I want like other people to know because again, that’s how communities thrive. If we all see each other at one another’s things, it’s important for for the health of any, any group.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:28) – Right? Yeah. Yeah. So now, so like, that sounds like an ideal world, right? Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:22:34) – We’re building.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:35) – It. Yeah, right.

Sebastian Naum (00:22:36) – Absolutely. Now there are maybe people, whether they’re listening or just out there in general like that a lot. Maybe they don’t have the resources or even the people around them to do those things. Right? So you’re going out there and you’re having to support a brand of some sort, whether you’re buying an article of clothing or you’re consuming something. And of course now so like maybe I can even bring it into the consumption aspect, right? So that’s in terms of artists and events, you’re basically supporting at least somebody you know, you really you know them, you know what they stand for, etcetera. Yeah. Now, if you’re going to go eat something right now, do you have like a criteria there where you’re like, you like to know who is behind the brands maybe that you’re consuming and stuff like that and what they stand for? Absolutely. Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:23:16) – It’s funny, two things came to mind actually with that question. One is I actually haven’t bought a new piece of clothing in four years since I started.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:25) – Really in four.

Justine Bean (00:23:26) – Years. I buy them on occasion if I’m in another country because it’s like something.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:30) – You just can’t get to buy underwear or something like that. Or yeah, like some like I haven’t worn. I also haven’t worn underwear in for years actually since Covid started. You know.

Justine Bean (00:23:45) – Hopefully no one on any of my clients see this.

Sebastian Naum (00:23:49) – With all of them. All of them.

Justine Bean (00:23:52) – But I’ve hosted a clothing swap once a season because I believe in sustainability so much. It’s so important to me. I love that fast fashion is so fucking destructive, right? And I love Amazon. I know it probably negates all the things that I’m doing with my clothing swap and the other ways that I help the world. I love convenience to like, I get it, I’m a human and there are some hills you were willing to die in. Like, I’m still going to use a microwave. Sorry, my friend Danielle, like most people in LA, hate microwaves.

Sebastian Naum (00:24:20) – I’ve actually done a good amount of research on microwaves.

Sebastian Naum (00:24:24) – Actually, Nothing wrong from my understanding. Right.

Justine Bean (00:24:26) – So it’s not literally.

Sebastian Naum (00:24:28) – Just heating up water molecules. Okay? Just. This is now, if you put in your head, if you’re sleeping next to a microwave, that’s on. Sure. Not a good thing, turn the microwave on. You leave, from my understanding, because because I had I had this whole thing where microwaves are the devil, too, but they’re actually not from. But anyway. Yeah. So we digress.

Justine Bean (00:24:45) – So yeah. So anyway, so hills are you’re willing to do what?

Sebastian Naum (00:24:48) – Convenience. So what do you buy from Amazon that’s convenient For example.

Justine Bean (00:24:52) – If they’re I love thrive market actually because Thrive market has like all these really sustainable brands in a place that I can just get them in one place right? Like I trust my friend who started the company I trust Thrive Markets Mission. They do so much research. They have their own brands that all meet sustainability, environmental, etcetera. Amazon definitely does not do that, but it’s convenient because all the thing like just like little things I need for the house, it’s all in one place.

Justine Bean (00:25:18) – Yeah, yeah. But I try to negate it with things like my clothing shop, which people love. Like it’s a it’s a community famous event. Yeah. And on the other side, the other thing that came up for me is. I saw this film recently. Conspiracy and Seaspiracy. Yeah, I’ve seen them both.

Sebastian Naum (00:25:34) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:25:34) – My friends are working. My friend is working with them on another film to be released, which I saw. I won’t tell too much about the film, but basically it led me down this rabbit hole because I am a meat eater, but I’m a conscious meat eater. Like I don’t eat tons of meat. I don’t particularly like plant based meat at all. Like, I think there’s too many chemicals. No, no, it’s actually worse.

Sebastian Naum (00:25:53) – It’s really worse for you.

Justine Bean (00:25:55) – The worst. I’m not a scientist on that side of it. But, you know, things like that matter to me. And what I put in my body particularly is really important to me.

Justine Bean (00:26:04) – Sorry, I’m an erewhon slut, but what the film did do to me and I was really shocked is I went down this rabbit hole of where my meat comes from, not from like a pasture raised, grass fed type of way because I try to do as organic and grass fed as possible. But the spirit of the animal. Yeah. Which I’d never thought about. It’s so amazing how your mind can change over time, which is like more facts doesn’t happen for a lot of people, which is kind of crazy. But this film was showing me that like, even the most consciously raised animals, still most of them go to slaughterhouses, which is just like part of the process.

Sebastian Naum (00:26:40) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:26:41) – And I was like, Oh, I only want to support farms that actually don’t use that because that seems like the energy of that animal is now I’m ingesting it and it’s coming into my spirit and I want it to be as like happy and healthy as possible. And so I found a farm in Texas that does wild game only, and it’s like everything is done on site, like dressed on site in the field.

Justine Bean (00:27:03) – And so there’s no, like, contamination. Yeah, it’s.

Sebastian Naum (00:27:07) – Wild. So how does the animal die?

Justine Bean (00:27:08) – It’s one shot kill, which is like the most ethical way in my my research rabbit hole to kill or to eat and kill an animal because they don’t know what’s coming. There’s no, like, aura of, like, you know, death in the air basically. Right. For them because they’re super conscious things, right?

Sebastian Naum (00:27:25) – No, I totally believe in that aspect of the energy. That’s right.

Justine Bean (00:27:28) – And they know that they’re going.

Sebastian Naum (00:27:30) – Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I’m sure there’s a difference between if they’ve had like this sort of a dark energy their entire lives versus maybe just the last second. But then also if they had never had it at all, which is right as.

Justine Bean (00:27:40) – Right, most farms care because it tough to meet up at the end if they get scared like that’s the thing. Correct. And I’m like, no, I just want it’s just funny how the mind evolves and like, now that’s a hill I’m willing to die on.

Justine Bean (00:27:52) – It turns out now.

Sebastian Naum (00:27:53) – So yeah.

Justine Bean (00:27:54) – Yeah, it’s really fascinating. Stuff like that really matters to me. Like the practices of, of different companies, you know.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:03) – The practices, the people that stand behind them, which is something that I think 25 years ago there was not so much of people wanting to know who is behind the companies or like understanding who the CEO was or it was blind faith. Now it’s very much exposed. In fact, there’s many people that have, you know, had companies that are like, Oh, shoot, I actually have to go be on the forefront now because there is no face to the brand. Like brands need faces now, right? And so I think it’s a beautiful thing. I think it’s awesome that it’s going that way. Yeah, I’m going to go back. This is super fun. Like, I’m just going to we’re going.

Justine Bean (00:28:38) – In a lot of different.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:40) – Here. I always talk about.

Justine Bean (00:28:42) – The spirits of animals.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:43) – Well, it’s good, you know, I have like, Yeah, exactly.

Sebastian Naum (00:28:45) – I have like, questions, right? I’m like, Oh, we are all over it. But this is fun because we’re going to talk about all the topics that we want to talk about. Totally. And this is our conversation. Yeah. So, so in terms of going back to the community aspect and Adlerian psychology, the sense of community is crucial to good mental health, to well-being. Now, we’ve learned about, like over the last decade, about the blue zones in the world, right? And how if you live in a blue zone, you are going to live significantly longer and healthier and happier. There’s five. I think it goes I think there’s one in Nicoya and Costa Rica. There’s one in Japan, Sardinia. There’s one in Sardinia, Italy. There’s one in Loma Linda, California. Super random. Where is that? Yes, super random. It’s like a little bit it’s like inland of Orange County. What? So read to us. Yeah. Loma Linda, California. I’m got to check that out.

Sebastian Naum (00:29:40) – And then. And then I’m missing one, um, Sardinia, Japan anyway. Oh, well, anyway, point is blue zones. Yeah. So with blue zones, there’s several key factors diet, exercise. And one of the key factors is community. So why does community make you live longer, do you think?

Justine Bean (00:30:04) – I Well, I think it’s also it’s family and community, I think, for the blue zones, because most people in those areas, like their families, never leave those places. Right. Like they’re all still so multigenerational. And so it’s that plus the community. It takes a village, right, to raise a kid. That’s the phrase. Yeah. I’m personally trying to set up the next part of my life for when my partner and babies come along to live in a village with my community, like in Costa Rica is actually where I’ve been trying to do this. I’m open to other places too.

Sebastian Naum (00:30:33) – I freaking love it. I just don’t like Sara keeps calling my heart.

Justine Bean (00:30:37) – Me too.

Justine Bean (00:30:37) – I go every year for six weeks. I’ll be back there in the winter and there are so many people building like in our community, building communities with local communities and integrating and like, these are the places that I want my kids to be raised because it’s exactly what you just said, like diet, exercise, nature, community, family, like you literally children need like the wisdom of so of many generations to learn from. They need access to nature. Like I want my kids to walk outside and go surfing with me before they go pick flowers on their way to school and then like learn about things like farming and math, and then we can go surfing again at the end of the day. Like, that’s kind of the life that I’m envisioning for my kids. And then we can come back to the States for other things. Yeah, but something that I also learned during Covid, which I think is related to the community and just like the closeness factor, like there’s such a different intimacy that when you when you’re being raised like in a village, so to speak.

Justine Bean (00:31:42) – Yeah. That I think that we’ve lost so much, especially in a post-COVID world, the serious amount of disconnect and depression and mental health issues and all of those things. And I have suffered personally from depression probably 15 years of my life, like clinical depression. Really. That’s a long time. It’s a long time. But through the use of of regulated psychedelic use thinking mushrooms, microdosing, I was able to basically cure my depression over the last four years. So really, Yeah, it’s basically nonexistent for me now. It’s like a huge deal. But what I learned and it was rampant during the beginning of Covid obviously, but what I learned during that process at the same time was also how important physical touch is. And I’m not talking about sexual touch. Sure. I’m talking about just like hugs and holding people’s hands and just feeling this closeness that I feel like people who live in those types of the blue zones, they my experience, at least having interacted with some of them is they have that closeness.

Justine Bean (00:32:37) – Yeah, My dad actually asked me if I was going through withdrawal from like a drug problem during Covid because I went back to take care of him for that first four months. And I was like, I think I’m going through touch withdrawal. Like, literally I was shaking like my it was just like the same sort of symptoms. And I used to get 20 hugs a day because I used to go co-working before that all the time here in Venice. And then I went for four months. I had six hugs in four months, like literally. And my first hug, I’ll never forget it was with my friend Jacob, and we cried for ten straight minutes holding each other with.

Sebastian Naum (00:33:12) – Like the.

Justine Bean (00:33:13) – All the things. This is like in the middle of New York.

Sebastian Naum (00:33:15) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:33:16) – And it was just such a transformative moment because I was like, Holy shit, I cannot live. I got.

Sebastian Naum (00:33:20) – The chills thinking about that.

Justine Bean (00:33:21) – Right? It was. It was like the sheer deprivation of. It was astounding.

Justine Bean (00:33:25) – Yeah. And so I’ve. I haven’t even shaken someone’s hand. I think actually, Michael outside might have been the first person saying I’ve shaken and because I didn’t think about it, but I always just go for a hug. We do have.

Sebastian Naum (00:33:36) – To.

Justine Bean (00:33:36) – Hug. Yeah. Because it’s so important. And I think just not enough people receive that. Yeah. And I think that the people who live in those areas of the world just like get that sort of intimacy and that closeness naturally, you know, because of the way that they’re choosing to live. Right. And families are closer. Yeah. You know, you made.

Sebastian Naum (00:33:56) – Me think of a moment and I still think about it every time I go on a run. Yeah, I. I will never forget because I live right by the very grateful to live right by the water. Rabbi shudders in Santa Monica and I remember went on a run during the beginnings of Covid. We were still not supposed to even go on the run or whatever. And I remember, yeah, I remember crossing this human who was also on this run.

Sebastian Naum (00:34:21) – And just like we looked at each other and like we like, smiled at each other and like, super much connected, we didn’t even know. You’re like, Hi. Like, how are you? You know, it was like just like, hi, human, hello. And it was and it’s funny because like, now I go on a run and it’s like, that ain’t not happening. Nobody is, you know? And I do think there was something beautiful that happened from that that I think maybe a lot of people forgot about. But I think that a lot of us haven’t forgotten about it. And for you at least, that experience showed you how much you do need that and how much we do need it. Yeah, I think it is challenging to think about. So you have this beautiful vision of community and like we’re talking about like a. Costa Rica type stuff, a blue zone type life in this and that. Now a lot like the majority of humans don’t necessarily have the access to that right So like there’s people that live in majorly massively overcrowded cities in their work 2 or 3 jobs and.

Sebastian Naum (00:35:18) – Right. So like, all they’re thinking about is survival, right? But even in what’s interesting is if you look at like happiness indexes, like I remember like Brazil being one of the happiest places, even though the poverty levels are still very high in many areas. And one of those things, in fact, is community. So you can even be in poor places and have community. Dance is a big part of it. They dance a lot.

Justine Bean (00:35:43) – Yeah. Music and dance and song. Yeah. That’s why throughout history when people were conquered, you know, they the conquering party always erases as much as they can. Religion dances, traditions, music, song. Because those are the things that keep us feeling alive. Correct? You know, they keep us interested in being alive with each other. And people find a way. If I’ve learned anything as an archaeologist, which is my former career, is that the human spirit finds a way no matter what happens to it. And like that has always been such a driving force of my life.

Justine Bean (00:36:19) – Like, if I’m feeling like I said, I’ve had many moments of depression. Yeah, I often like relate back to that thought because it’s like it just it will something always gets better at some point, right? Yeah. Hope is like the most important thing we have, I think.

Sebastian Naum (00:36:35) – Besides love. Powerful.

Justine Bean (00:36:36) – Yeah, it’s super powerful. Yeah, absolutely. So even, you know, and everybody has their their issues, their problems, their struggles, some are obviously like perspective is so important and your stuff is still your stuff. Right. But even in the worst stuff, yeah. You find that the people who are the happiest besides community, I think is also the people can still have gratitude. It’s the most if you look at dispenses work like it’s the most transcendent emotion. Gratitude is the thing that you can create your own reality with, right? If it can access that emotion for the things that you have already and the things that you don’t have, suddenly they’re going to be there, right? Even in little bits Like that’s.

Justine Bean (00:37:17) – It’s like with hope. Yeah, right. Yeah. Like, yeah. Even the moment, like my grandma’s passing, for example, is the most tragic moment of my life and I have the most amount of gratitude for that experience because her gift to me was like hanging on for as long as she did and giving me space for my old life. And I got to spend every moment with her for a whole year, basically. And there’s so many moments to be grateful for, for like even even the moments where you just find out what you’re fucking made of, you know, like something horrible and tragic. You’re still like, Oh, my God, I’m still here. I’m still surviving. Like, that’s grateful to be alive. We’re talking about like, Are you afraid of death earlier? Yeah, just. Just the fact that you’re here, right. And as someone who has in the past wanted to not be here with my depression like I thought so many times in my life, I personally have a lot of sympathy and compassion for people who have been on both sides of that spectrum, you know.

Sebastian Naum (00:38:17) – So I think there’s a lot of people on that spectrum of depression that feel like I’m doing all these things like but I’m doing the gratitude work and I’m doing this and I’m doing that and it’s not working, you know?

Justine Bean (00:38:28) – Yeah, absolutely. I get it. I’ve been there for sure. And my, my personal experience with it is honestly like we’re the creators of our own reality. Like if we feel like we’re doing a thing to get something back, then it’s not. And it’s tricky how to say it, but you have to give something or like do something without expectation or attachment how it comes back to you, right? So it’s like I give love to somebody without. It’s a practice for sure. Sure. Without expecting that they need to love me back. It’s not a requirement. It’s not a necessary, it’s not a need. It’s just the gift of love.

Sebastian Naum (00:39:13) – Hi. Involvement. Low attachment, high involvement, low attachment. So if you can live by that, which is so.

Justine Bean (00:39:18) – Difficult, so fucking difficult.

Sebastian Naum (00:39:20) – Fully involved, you’re giving it all, you’re fully involved, maxing out on that, and then you’re fully detached from the result. Just like with anything, whether it’s with somebody with love, with a business project, with trying to get out of a depression or whatever. Right? So I think that’s an interesting.

Justine Bean (00:39:34) – Point, trying to make friends. It’s such a core thing. People are always like, How do you make so many friends? And it’s like you have to be a friend without expecting like, the thing back, right?

Sebastian Naum (00:39:44) – That’s a good point. I never thought about it.

Justine Bean (00:39:46) – Yeah, because.

Sebastian Naum (00:39:47) – It’s like either.

Justine Bean (00:39:48) – People know that you’re genuinely in it, right? Or they’re. They’re in their own worlds. Yeah. All doing their own things. Like, you can’t. We can have acceptance and love for that, too. But people feel it when you’re like, trying to get something out of them. Right. And so I think it’s just like an energy shift.

Justine Bean (00:40:05) – And I’ll tell everybody my secret for being a great friends right now because people ask for being.

Sebastian Naum (00:40:11) – A great friend.

Justine Bean (00:40:12) – All the time. Honestly, Siri, my my secret I if someone tells me something is going on in their life or something that I want to remember, like, Oh yeah, having surgery in two months, you know, whatever. And I’ll say, Hey, Siri, in two months at 10 a.m., remind me to tell my friend Sarah good luck on her surgery. And I do that shit all the time. Hey, Siri, in ten days, can you remind me to call Sharon?

Sebastian Naum (00:40:40) – What a freaking hack, man?

Justine Bean (00:40:41) – Because I haven’t talked to her in a minute. Yeah, And I’ll remember, you know, I use Siri.

Sebastian Naum (00:40:45) – All the time for work, but that’s really good for personal. That’s amazing.

Justine Bean (00:40:51) – Literally. And people are like, How did you remember? You’re so thoughtful. Did it?

Sebastian Naum (00:40:54) – Siri, That’s amazing. Yeah. And I live back of the world.

Sebastian Naum (00:40:57) – We’re jumping. We’re going to be jumping all over the place, which is fun and we’re already doing it. But one thing that I one thing that I’ve noticed with community and with friends and with friendships since we’re talking about this sort of idea of, you know, a great way to make friends or whatever. Right? Giving without receiving is what I’ve noticed is even within communities that claim lots of inclusivity or whatever it may be, there’s still lots of clinginess that happens, right? So it’s like it’s funny because clicking the clicky ness that we experience in high school when it’s like the most rampant. Yeah, I still see it with like, you know, adults, like with groups of boomers, you know, whatever. Like literally it’s like I see it and it’s like.

Justine Bean (00:41:39) – I see it in our interest for.

Sebastian Naum (00:41:41) – Sure. And it’s with us and it’s in our it’s like, why do you think that’s do you think that’s just like human nature or do you think that there’s a way to disarm that? Because, for example, we’re both part of this group called the Grateful Draughts, which is a beautiful community.

Sebastian Naum (00:41:55) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:41:57) – And thought leaders.

Sebastian Naum (00:41:58) – Exactly. Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:41:59) – Just good fucking.

Sebastian Naum (00:42:00) – Humans. Good humans. And one thing that I’ve told my friends when they ask, Well, what do you like about this whole grateful draft thing or these events that you do? Yeah, I’m like, personally, I feel that. I feel that there’s no ego. There’s a lot less, if anything, than most places that I go. It’s a bunch of fucking weirdos. Everyone’s weird in their own way. I’m weird. You’re weird. We’re all weird. Yeah, exactly. We get to be ourselves, and. And then there’s just not that much clinginess, which I think is kind of rare. Yeah. How do you. What do you feel about clicking this? Do you think it’s something that just naturally happens and you just can’t really do away with it when it comes to community?

Justine Bean (00:42:37) – That’s a great point because I don’t find that in the drafts as well. Yeah. And yeah. I think that probably to some degree, like there is a biological desire to be with people who are like you, right? Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:42:50) – Whatever that thing is. Just like that’s how people banded together throughout, you know, millions of years, right? Like, oh, this is my family or this is my close unit. Like there’s probably some.

Sebastian Naum (00:43:01) – Within the community of my closer unit.

Justine Bean (00:43:02) – Right? Like the people that resonate with me. Right. And aside from that biological need, I think probably a lot of it is unresolved, like.

Sebastian Naum (00:43:13) – Like insecurities.

Justine Bean (00:43:14) – Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:43:14) – Like because crookedness is not just about the close unit.

Justine Bean (00:43:17) – That they haven’t resolved or like lack of self development in some way. And that’s not a judgment. It’s more of like a reflection of, oh, like if I actually examine my actions in this experience or in this scenario, like what? I actually be treating this person this way. Sure, maybe yes, maybe no. And so I think it’s probably just like in a self development way, like awareness space and there’s something unresolved in that space for that person particularly. And I think when you’re in a group setting, certain behaviors get amplified, right? Like you want a sense of belonging, right? Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:43:51) – If this person is doing it, I want to do the thing. Yeah. Which is probably what also fuels the quickness also. So there’s maybe that is a third factor, but in my experience going back to like if you just lead with X and like not expect things back, like I have many negative experiences throughout my life with clicks like growing up, it was I went to Montessori school, there was five boys and five girls and it was still me and my friend Corinne and the girls. Like I was still outside of the main fucking clique. Even those five, five.

Sebastian Naum (00:44:22) – Girls like that is the click. That is.

Justine Bean (00:44:25) – The click. And it was still Justine and Corinne. And so since my youngest days, I have not been in the like in the clique and I’ve just. Which is maybe why again, I became like a hopper of groups, but I think I was allowed to be a hopper of groups over time because I just like led with my heart and some people reject it and that’s okay.

Justine Bean (00:44:48) – That’s what you have to.

Sebastian Naum (00:44:49) – Remember, right?

Justine Bean (00:44:50) – Really are like, wow, this person is just so blank and I want them around me. Yeah, I still have experiences as an adult. Many of them were, you know, I’ve been friends with some people for many years and I support literally everything I do. They do. I’m a human. I get, like, upset sometimes when I’m not included in things. And yeah. And then there’s times where people are like, Oh, I just assumed you were invited because you get included in all the things. And I’m like, But no one invited me. And it happens a lot still.

Sebastian Naum (00:45:18) – It still happens.

Justine Bean (00:45:19) – It still happens of community. Exactly. Yeah. The mayor of Venice, it still happens. It sounds way less obnoxious when other people say it honestly, But you know, we’re all human. We all have feelings. Like it still hurts. But I think that the key and this is, again, just like it’s like a muscle learning, right? Like you have to just keep leading with your heart, you know? I don’t think there’s any other.

Justine Bean (00:45:44) – Yeah, that’s that’s how I would say.

Sebastian Naum (00:45:46) – Yeah. And I think that the more secure you are within yourself and the more you’re leading with your heart, if those if if the external is not changing for you and you’re still seeing some of these things, what you end up realizing is like people.

Justine Bean (00:45:59) – Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:46:00) – It’s just aim for me totally.

Justine Bean (00:46:02) – And you become like, Oh, I can still be in this space and like have fun and all the things because I’m not attached to having to be in that like or that group or and.

Sebastian Naum (00:46:11) – This person or this subgroup no longer triggers me. And it’s just like whatever self acceptance.

Justine Bean (00:46:16) – And it’s a really beautiful space to be. It is, but it takes practice.

Sebastian Naum (00:46:20) – It does, and then it comes back again. It’s the onion that keeps right peeling. Right. And it keeps coming back. Yeah, Yeah, exactly. So vulnerability is a you know, obviously people talk about vulnerability a lot to, you know, nauseum. It’s like it becomes annoying.

Sebastian Naum (00:46:34) – But at the same time it’s a huge it’s key, right? As being a conscious leader. It’s a huge thing. And I remember one of the things that stuck with me most was you came out as bisexual and polyamorous on social media very publicly. One of the ways that I really admired that in the way that you did it was because it was in such a vulnerable way, in the sense that how you explained who you were and also that you were very afraid to show all of this, in part because you wanted to still be very much accepted and loved by the people you cared for a lot, which was your family. And a lot of the times I think we’re used to when we see people come out with certain things, it’s like, This is who I am. Everyone fuck off, right? Sure you did it very sincere. Like, this is who I am and I hope that everyone still loves me. And I’m afraid that everyone doesn’t. But this is still who I am. And this is who I choose to be.

Sebastian Naum (00:47:28) – So can you speak a little bit about that vulnerability that that you express, which you did so beautifully, by the way?

Justine Bean (00:47:34) – Yeah, I think that’s what happened last night with the vulnerable share, too, like when I just shared it and then I cried for four hours because it is such a thing to declare. Things publicly? Yeah, with small but loyal audiences, you know, and friends and communities and families and yeah, I think I think it goes to even what we’re just talking about. Like there’s this disarming factor that happens to other people when you lead with vulnerability and with your with your truth, people receive you in a different way whether they intended to or not. It’s like there’s a human in here. Yeah. Like if you forgot I have a heart and I’m a human beating in front of you. And so that’s sort of like natural inclination to judge or to quick whatever the quick thought is, is like, Oh, no, oh my God, this person is hurting or loving or sad or whatever, or angry or whatever the thing is in front of me that they’re coming to me with.

Justine Bean (00:48:29) – And I think also so much of it is the language like conscious communication, right? Like speaking from the eye and not speaking from the wheat and the absolutes and all the things. Like in my experience, this is what’s happening when X, Y, and Z versus like this always happens when you do blank, right? Like no one’s going to respond to that. The defensive people get defensive. And, you know, the other reaction that I’ve always had from people when I share my vulnerable shares online or in person is what an invitation it’s been for them. And that’s been a really beautiful thing to receive or to witness as well. And for them, their responses to witness me being so vulnerable helps them, like come to terms with some of the things that they’ve needed to share. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:49:13) – It disarms, like you said.

Justine Bean (00:49:14) – Right. And so one of the things I’ve used social media specifically very consciously for consciously is it’s so social media, as we all know, is like for all the like, pretty beautiful instagrammable moments, whatever.

Justine Bean (00:49:29) – But like, I talk about my depression a lot, like I talk about the struggles in my life. I don’t want people to feel like I just have this, like, beautiful, blessed life. Like I’ve had a lot of fucking struggles and I want people to know that I’m still choosing to live my highest aligned truth. Yeah. Despite all those other things. And it’s not luck. Like, maybe luck has a small part to play in how we all ended up where we are for sure. Circumstance, I’m sure. But it’s still every day waking up and saying this is the only way that I’m going to live because it’s not actually a choice anymore. I have tasted the forbidden fruit. I have had my awakening. Whatever the thing is, it doesn’t have to be specific. Religion, all of the things just you know, that there is more to your life that you haven’t been living, whatever that means to you. And so for once, you have that, in my experience, it’s not a choice anymore.

Justine Bean (00:50:19) – And so with the bi and the poly thing, like I was so afraid because like, even though like half of my family doesn’t even have social media, I was afraid that the parts that do like people that I’ve that have loved me but also use my vulnerability against me for a long time in some cases because excuse me, I was always the emotional kid. Like I was always crying because I had so much emotion that I didn’t know what to do with it.

Sebastian Naum (00:50:46) – Yeah. So I’m sure like that, you know, causes this judgment like, oh, there goes Justine crying again. Like being emotional. Totally.

Justine Bean (00:50:53) – Like, I can’t even have a conversation that felt any way confrontational without crying because I was afraid I was about to be judged for. And then just like the waterworks. So I always thought crying was a weakness. And it was like only until like, you know, 6 or 7 years ago that I realized that it was a strength, right? And so coming out to my family, one was so unexpected, which has happened over Hibachi Grill and Christmas Day where my aunt, my aunt was asking me about this guy that I was dating at the time.

Justine Bean (00:51:25) – And I was like, well, slowly roll. Like, I don’t know where it’s going. And I was like, I’m dating other people. And and they were like, Well, who else are you’re dating? And I was like, Well, you know, I’m I’m engaged basically to like seven other friends of mine. My friends and I have like had these conscious engagements to one another and they were like, what the hell is that? And I was like explaining it. And I was like, I’m polyamorous because for me, poly, I’m poly. Not in the way of like multiple sexual love for multiple whole love. So it’s like, okay, the people that I’m talking about, we’ve exchanged proposals as in like, I’m committing to you as a friend, to love you, to love your children, to love you for the rest of your life and vice versa. And it’s been this really beautiful, like acknowledgement that usually gets only reserved for people in a romantic partnership. And so I’m a monogamous, I would say, in a partnership.

Justine Bean (00:52:15) – So like the unit plays together. But poly, I would say I’m solo poly because I don’t actually want to be like in a full polyamorous relationship like that. But I am time dedicated in these intimately vulnerable relationships, not sexual, but like if my friend is like, I need you right now, like one of like Jessica, for example, I’m going to fly out and spend the time with her like the same I would with my sick child or my husband or something like that. My parent. And so they get this dedicated. Relationship from me in the same way that like a romantic partner would. Really.

Sebastian Naum (00:52:46) – So. It’s not in a sexual manner, but it can be.

Justine Bean (00:52:49) – It can be sometimes not. But most of them are not. Most of them are. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And so that was like just sharing that with my family. And then I was like, oh, you know, and then sort of float out that I was bisexual because they asked about Priscilla, my life wife.

Justine Bean (00:53:04) – And we’ve been together five and a half years and my life wife, Yeah, she’s amazing and certainly my longest relationship. And they’re like, you know, she never comes with you and places and it’s like, we start. P and I have started recently like re crafting, like how do we present our relationship to people because she’s monogamous and yeah, you know, wasn’t a monogamous partnership and I wasn’t and like how do we sort of like create narratives in public for people to understand actually what we mean to each other and still use language that resonates with both of us with separate needs, right? And so there’s this really beautiful dance around, you know, just pure language and understanding. And so having to explain that to my family over hibachi was was so beautiful. And then my aunt started to cry because I think maybe she’s she’s gay and has been my whole life, obviously. And I think maybe she thought that she was alone in the family in that. And I never thought she was, because I’ve always been by my whole life, I just never shared it because I thought my sexual life wasn’t my family’s business.

Justine Bean (00:54:08) – Okay? Like I’m bisexual sexually, but not partnership. Like I think I’m pretty sure I’m going to have a husband is what I’m saying, versus a wife. But I have a life wife that’s not sexual. Mostly that. But but then the most beautiful part of the whole experience is that my aunt goes, Well, does anyone else have a secret to share? And then someone who I won’t name on this, but someone else in my family raised their hand and was like shared their piece to. And they were like, I saw you on the limb and I wanted to come out with you. And it was just like the most beautiful.

Sebastian Naum (00:54:44) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:54:46) – It’s just a moment that I’ll never forget. Yeah. Was just like that vulnerability of mine, like created space for, for him to share that too. And it was just like a beautiful moment for the two of us to be together and then to share with my family. And then, and then the person I was so afraid to call or to share any of this with was my dad, because he’s quite conservative in a lot of ways, even though he he spent his whole life in the entertainment world and he was the only one not with us.

Justine Bean (00:55:11) – And so I called him on FaceTime. He was in London. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (00:55:14) – You missed the most badass dinner ever.

Justine Bean (00:55:17) – I was like, look, everybody else knows, like, I can’t keep this from you now. Yeah. And he was like, How does it feel to tell me? And I was like, Honestly, it’s like a huge relief. I didn’t know I was actually keeping it from anybody. I thought I was just not the business Interesting. And he was like, Well, I love you and I don’t understand most of this, but like, I’m So that man has come so far. You’ve no idea so far. And he is so expectant now. He’s just like, Well, all the people that you’re dating and did it like now he’s sort of like uses a lot more language than I ever thought he would. And I’m not actually dating anybody right now. So you’re overcompensating Just.

Sebastian Naum (00:55:50) – Because of this doesn’t mean that type of thing.

Justine Bean (00:55:52) – Right?

Sebastian Naum (00:55:52) – So yeah, well, that’s beautiful.

Sebastian Naum (00:55:55) – I think that I mean, this these are just beautiful examples of stories that you’re sharing with us about vulnerability and how that opens it up, how opens up the space. And obviously that all ties to community and building conscious communities. And as a conscious leader, that also ties into building a conscious culture within your workspace. And what that does for, you know, for work and business and the brand and what you’re putting out there. So it is huge. And there’s sometimes there is a dance of when you are a leader, um, particularly sometimes in a business, sometimes I do think that there’s timing to certain things, right? So like sometimes when you’re going through the shit, sometimes if everyone’s looking up to you, sometimes like, okay, maybe you got to get through the shit a little bit holding.

Justine Bean (00:56:44) – Together and then hold it.

Sebastian Naum (00:56:45) – Together so that everybody so that it doesn’t fall apart, you know? And then you can share with everybody. By the way, like, I was scared shitless, but hey, this is how we got through it and now you’re being vulnerable.

Sebastian Naum (00:56:55) – And but you were still able to sort of pull through. So I think there is a timing sometimes that that. Absolutely.

Justine Bean (00:57:02) – You know, I think even you can relate that to families like heads of families or like parents. You know, I some of the families that I’ve witnessed in our community, like the parents that I know and slowly growing, especially over Covid, like more of our friends started having kids, which is tends to be later in life than maybe other types of people. But I’m witnessing like how much emotion parents are sharing and it’s so beautiful and their vulnerabilities, but they also still have to be parents and keep it together during the thing. But then they’re also showing their kids that it’s okay to have feelings and to have these experiences. Right. And obviously age appropriate ways. But it’s just like a beautiful. Thing that I’ve been witnessing. Yeah. And so same. Same. I still need to be the strength and the backbone of this family. Like you need to be able to look up to me and feel safe with me.

Justine Bean (00:57:52) – Right? Like, you need to feel safe with me that I have. I can protect them. And I’m still a human. I don’t need you to be responsible for my emotions, but I need you to know that it’s okay that I have them. I have them. Yeah. And so that difference has been.

Sebastian Naum (00:58:06) – What’s interesting about parents and stuff like that, too, is outside of if we just remove, let’s remove the past lives sort of type thing, but they’re still doing it for the first time. Yeah. Two you know what I’m saying?

Justine Bean (00:58:17) – So that you can be out of that.

Sebastian Naum (00:58:19) – But like so outside of the past life concept, Past lives. Yes, agreed. But in terms of this one right now.

Justine Bean (00:58:28) – Correct.

Sebastian Naum (00:58:28) – They’re like your parents doing it for the first time, your grandparents doing grandparenting for the first time, sons doing something. So it’s like we’re all just fucking trying the shit out. Best Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Justine Bean (00:58:37) – I think that goes into the acceptance and the leading with love.

Justine Bean (00:58:40) – It’s like when you take away your expectations of humans, it doesn’t mean people like if you enter into a contract of some type of relationship with someone, doesn’t mean that they there isn’t a mutual like need sharing type of a thing. But if you say, Wow, this person is always disappointing me because of X instead of that, like this person is actually just doing their fucking best. And there’s some people in my life that I wouldn’t have in my life if I didn’t look at it that way. And it’s not to say that they’re less than or not or that I’m better or anything like that, but there are certain things that I just know they’re not capable of and that’s actually okay. Yeah. And I still want them in my life for so many other reasons. Totally. So it’s just like this narrative. Yeah. That’s really.

Sebastian Naum (00:59:22) – Absolutely. Yeah.

Justine Bean (00:59:23) – Really helpful.

Sebastian Naum (00:59:24) – So you said you, you do you want kids, You want a kid, you want a family. So in that, would you want that structure to also be poly or do you think that you would go into more of a monogamous structure with your partner?

Justine Bean (00:59:37) – Great question.

Justine Bean (00:59:38) – Monogamous structure.

Sebastian Naum (00:59:40) – Amish.

Justine Bean (00:59:43) – Um, um. Yeah. I mean, I think it would it’s poly in the idea of like, again, I still have these other relationships that are very time dedicated and it’s not like an everyday thing, but if they need me, like I’m there for them and vice versa. And if something happens with their kids, like we have protocols in place for like, how do we support one another through those experiences. And so poly and the idea of like, I want my kids to be raised by these people and like, maybe we’re not all living in the same place like with this specific group, but in the idea of like living in Costa Rica or somewhere else, like, I want my kids to have multiple parents and role models and help, like not even just role models, but like healthy relationship models. One thing my dad is quite self-aware in certain moments, and I share this because it’s so, so poignant for me. He told me that the only thing he ever regretted in parenting was that he didn’t show us what a loving partnership was.

Justine Bean (01:00:43) – And so it doesn’t mean he’s not in love or he hasn’t been in love, and he has had loving relationships and they’ve had their own version of what that looks like for them. But I never had it as like a unit model for me. And so that’s something that I think is super important as someone who didn’t have it and had to like, I’ve had to work backwards from that. Like, what is a healthy relationship? I want those models around my kids and I want to model that with my own relationship when that happens or my own partnership. And you know, I also am calling in and this is where I’ve been doing with my coach, like I’m super interested and desiring to create and co-create a very co devotional partnership like co ritualistic partnership with somebody which includes issuing sometimes monogamy, but like the idea that two people have so much reverence for each other and for the love that they have and wake up and they do these rituals to re like commit to one another. Yeah. What about you do these things and it’s like fucking work, but it’s like a conscious choice to do that and that people are like, Oh, why are you saying it’s like, because not everybody wants that type of relationship.

Justine Bean (01:01:56) – Yeah, it’s a lot.

Sebastian Naum (01:01:58) – More rare probably, right?

Justine Bean (01:01:59) – So a serious commitment to each other. Yeah. Without attachment to like what it has to be at the end. Of course. Like obviously I want it to have kids and to have a long partnership with this person where they are. And you know, it takes a certain type of human to walk into that very like very awake and say, Yes, I want that with you too. And so my life is fucking amazing. And when that partner shows up and is like, I’m ready for that too, I’m so I’m so here for it. But in the meantime, like, nothing is also missing from my life, right? Yeah, very. Yeah. Like I said, if I died in this moment, I would die. Fulfilled life. But the co devotional. Ritual thing is something that I’ve seen modeled for me many times over now in our community. And there are some couples that you just you’re in their presence and it’s it feels very divine.

Justine Bean (01:02:53) – It honestly feels like there’s like a God level, like energy to it. And it’s because they have fucking been through the fire together and they continue to sit and sit and sit together and they and they work through like the deepest shadows and they don’t hold things back. My friends Rachel and Johan called the 3%, like most people and most couples like they hold back. They share 98% or 97% of what like, feels comfortable. And they always hold back what they call a 3% doesn’t have to be three.

Sebastian Naum (01:03:20) – That still sounds like probably way more. Yeah, the average.

Justine Bean (01:03:23) – Yeah, Yeah. So yeah, fair as they call it. But I find that to be true and it’s like in the true depth of this type of partnership that I’m witnessing in them and others is like, they just don’t hold it back because it’s like, this is the thing I think is really going to make me unlovable to you. And I’m so afraid to share it. Yeah, so afraid to be vulnerable in this way.

Justine Bean (01:03:43) – And then you hold it and you sit and you do the thing and you work together and.

Sebastian Naum (01:03:47) – That goes beyond poly or traditional or gay or whatever. All of it. It’s just really about doing the work and the heart to heart and the in the commitment. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not about what the structure of it is. Totally. Absolutely. Yeah.

Justine Bean (01:04:03) – It’s so beautiful to just even be in the presence of like, Yeah, I love it because I didn’t know that that type of love or partnership could exist.

Sebastian Naum (01:04:11) – Well, it exists and totally exist. You’re gonna get it and you’re attracting it and you’re in the process. Fuck yeah, putting it out there. I love it. Justine With and going back a little bit towards the community aspect and just where everything is going with Web3 more and more digital. I actually recently saw a movie that’s from a few years back, but like, do you remember Ready? Player one Did you watch that?

Justine Bean (01:04:36) – I actually never saw.

Sebastian Naum (01:04:37) – It, but okay, so I do recommend that you check that out because it feels like it’s a very realistic sort of potential future in a way where there’s this idea of like the meta.

Sebastian Naum (01:04:47) – It’s like sort of like metaverse. Yeah. But like, you know, next level metaverse to where it’s so real. And then.

Justine Bean (01:04:53) – Are they living in.

Sebastian Naum (01:04:54) – It? So the, they’re living in the real world, but the real world is so shitty because of like things that are happening with like climate change and floods and all these things where it’s like it’s way more chill to be in the metaverse, right? It’s like way more enjoyable. Plus it feels so real. So it’s like this combination of like almost like Twitch and the metaverse and like climate, you know? So anyway, but so how do you how do you think, how do you go about the building of real connection relation? Because a lot of it seems like you said it has to be there, it has to be the touching and it has to be this heart to heart. How do you build?

Justine Bean (01:05:29) – Yeah, digital spaces. Yeah, yeah. That’s a really great question and something that I’ve been working actively on the last year and a half since I started professionally being a community builder and community Alchemist consultant.

Justine Bean (01:05:42) – Almost all of my clients where I’m head of community are in Web3. Somehow it just happened really beautifully that way and a world that I was really afraid of touching. Like Web3 blockchain, nfts all of it. Like, yeah, and I’m a I love technology, but there felt like some sort of like, gated experience that I just couldn’t get into and it just felt so overwhelming and all the language and everything. And then I was thrust into and I was like, Oh shit, I got to catch up. Yeah. And honestly, at some point in the near future, it’s not even going to be web3. It’s going to be just the the Internet. Like that’s just going to be the way that we operate, right? And for now, there’s this separation because it feels new. But at some point all this is going to be very normal and commonplace and people will be operating straight up in the in the metaverse.

Sebastian Naum (01:06:27) – And how do you think that’s going to what do you mean by that?

Justine Bean (01:06:31) – Well, I just think that this technology is an AI.

Justine Bean (01:06:33) – Look at AI, right? Yeah. You know, going back to the Costa Rica thing and the farming and schools and things like I’m hoping AI takes away the things that nobody actually wants to do and frees up all of the people who are doing those types of jobs and more of us to actually experience life and not have to worry so much about like more money, more money, more money, like all the like, you know, that sort of drive like it gives us. Maybe it’ll give us space if we like, shifted it in the right direction to actually create more art and like farm and like connect to the earth again, like all those types of things. And so that’s kind of my hope for yeah, for me and I, yeah, I don’t yeah, I’m not going to say I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen because I am so open to being surprised by this world and this universe. But my hope would be that’s the direction it goes. But what I’ve been doing in Web3 is like still creating as much connection as I possibly can.

Justine Bean (01:07:28) – Like most spaces like Discord, for example. Right? Almost everybody is anonymous or behind a screen name. You never even see their face, ever. Yeah, A lot of the other communities, they are community members, like do interact on different social platforms, but there’s still like see who. They’re talking to you in some way. But for me, it’s like creating programming, creating like human touch points as many times as possible that either shows their faces, connects them to me, like I have one on one eye on board. Everybody that comes into community, any community that I’m in. So they get a human face like right away, even even on Discord. And so and then also for the ones that allow it, like creating in real life IRL programming when possible and like making that a global experience to, to the effect that it’s possible as well because you just can’t lose that like that. That is what community is. Obviously there’s the shared interest, the shared value system. These are the rules and guidelines, the safety that that creates for freedom of expression within the boundaries of that container.

Justine Bean (01:08:30) – And people want to know and they get invested when they actually like connect with that with another person. And you just you just can’t take that away even like in my experience so far, it’s just there’s no replacement for it still. There really isn’t. There isn’t. And so in the metaverse, yes. You know, why are video games so popular? They’re still really fucking connected like people are on teams. Individuals in there. Yeah, they’re in their room by themselves, but they’re always like talking to people. They have friends, some of their best friends or people they’ve never met.

Sebastian Naum (01:09:05) – Yeah, that’s wild.

Justine Bean (01:09:06) – Like, that’s such a crazy metaverse. That’s my that’s my best guess is that the metaverse will be like that.

Sebastian Naum (01:09:13) – Yeah.

Justine Bean (01:09:15) – Yeah. People can still there’s Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (01:09:17) – So yeah it’s like there’s connection that we just we’re not used to and so and again it evolves and we’re Yeah. And we’re getting into so we’re trying, we’re going to, we’re going to find out what happens.

Justine Bean (01:09:26) – We’re just throwing spaghetti at the wall right now in Web3 like all this new tech and just seeing what sticks.

Justine Bean (01:09:33) – Hopefully nothing sticks in is a giant monster. Although if you ask some friends of mine, I for sure needs a lot of boundaries and guidelines and I totally agree with them. But yeah, I think that still relying on the things like that work, it doesn’t matter how much technology is advanced, we still go home for dinner, right? Like, like, like there’s certain things that still make us feel human. I don’t know. Despite all the advances, I guess I just don’t think that that’s going to change. And it hasn’t changed in my experience. Community building in Web3 so far. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (01:10:04) – Yeah. So interesting. Yeah. How do you navigate conflict within your communities?

Justine Bean (01:10:09) – Oh, that’s a great question. That actually came up very recently at a couple of times during Covid actually, because we had people like using the thread, for example, like it was like Coven on one side, Covid on the other side, like Mass, no mass vaccines, no vaccines, whatever it was. And they were having these open conflicts in the chat and I was like, Hey guys, these are super valid points.

Justine Bean (01:10:33) – This particular chat is not the space. In that case, it was like, This is not the space to have this conversation and I encourage you to take this offline and have like a proper form, you know, whatever it was, having events around it like create an experience where people can feel like they can share.

Sebastian Naum (01:10:47) – Because it is important to have that.

Justine Bean (01:10:49) – Otherwise how the discussion. Yeah, because that particular platform was not the space for it. Yeah. And some people were like, Justine, you did not come down hard enough and other people were like, You do the right thing, right? So I feel like I couldn’t please everybody in that particular situation. You know, there’s other situations where it’s happened a few times where like in a relationship, right, like two people break up. They have their own experiences as a couple. It leaks out into the community, into their friend groups, and it can get really messy. And I’ve been asked as a community leader to like sort of excommunicate people before, like, like or to step in.

Justine Bean (01:11:32) – And I’m like, one that’s not it’s none of my business unless like, that person is like, egregiously violent or abusive or something. Like that’s obviously there are certain levels of like obviousness of, okay, we’re not going to associate with you anymore. But yeah, but also telling that person that this is the thing. Like I personally don’t believe and it’s happened quite a lot in my circles to some extent where something happens like that and then people just stop talking to that person without actually even letting them know what like the reasoning is or like what happened. And so that person, even if they might have committed something that feels worthy of that type of treatment, they don’t know they’re left in the dark and going to the sense of belonging before, like complete icing out, like, oh my God, my world just collapsed around me. And then they have like a serious problem because they don’t have a clue what just happened because it might have been related to something in this case that I’m thinking of that they don’t even know, like why everybody else is suddenly not talking to them.

Justine Bean (01:12:32) – Yeah. And so if you’re a community leader or someone even just a fucking friend or someone that has a relationship with with a person like you, still owe it. To them, in my opinion, to tell them why you’re deciding X, Y and Z. Right? You might even be like excommunicated. You’re not going to be their friend. You might be like, Hey, I heard that this is happening, or like, I witnessed this behavior. This is not okay with me. We can’t be friends until X or like I’m taking a break until I see that you’ve worked on X, Y, and Z. Like, all of those things are totally fine. And I’ve stepped in and done that a few times with my own friends and tap into me once before, and I would expect my friends to do that for me when and if it happens again. Absolutely. And I just feel like there’s this level of like in society today that we just sort of like. It’s okay to just cut people out of your life.

Justine Bean (01:13:26) – Just cut them out. I see. I read advice columns every morning. Actually. Gives me a lot of perspective on the world and what the world is about. And it’s so it hurts me so much to my core. Obviously, violence, all that. Like, there’s reasons for that for sure. And silence is golden in that situation. But in most cases, like my parents were abusive to me when I was young, they didn’t treat my sister. Whatever it is, we all have it. All of those things are true and we’re probably really awful to experience and just being like, I’m not going to ever talk to my parents again. Totally your prerogative to do. But you in my opinion, you still need to have the conversation with them first of like, Hey, I’ve noticed that you keep violating X, Y and Z boundary or whatever it is, and if this continues, I’m going to have to take space or like, we’re not going to talk or whatever the thing is. But I find that people are just like not having those conversations at all.

Justine Bean (01:14:21) – And so even though it’s really difficult for me as someone who was so conflict averse for so many years because I just cried at the drop of a hat, I’ve had to have a lot of those community conversations on both sides of like, Why are you spreading this rumor or this thing? Or like, what actually happened? And like, there’s two sides and then three sides of every story, right? And it’s been a personal challenge for me to just have the difficult conversation. But it’s such good practice, I bet. And two, because so much gets lost in the like he said, she said, yeah. And like, is this actually affecting the community at large or is this a thing that happened between two people that should actually stay between two people? Right.

Sebastian Naum (01:15:03) – Well, it’s not all rainbows and butterflies.

Justine Bean (01:15:05) – Not all rainbows and butterflies, you know, And sometimes it leaks into business. Right? Like there’s a few examples of that in the community as well. And like people, you know, in all business senses have different relationships and you might be a different type of friend than you are a business partner or a business collaborator.

Justine Bean (01:15:21) – Like people have different personalities. A lot of time for like how they operate in different spaces. And, you know, I still have plenty of friends that probably maybe are different types of people when they’re in business, and I don’t actually have that experience with them. Yeah, but you know, people are multi dimensional again, barring like really egregious things. I don’t think that someone should not be my friend because maybe they’re like a shark in business or whatever that means, you know? Well, if they’re like, deliberately, like, polluting, like, I’m just putting my toxic waste into the air, like, again, egregious thing. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (01:15:54) – Well, and I also think that by striking a friendship or by being around certain people too, they may have their eyes open to different things. Right.

Justine Bean (01:16:02) – By being honest. Hey, I noticed that you’re doing this thing. My friend told me that you’ve been treating them this way like this is not okay. Just because you have a contract doesn’t mean you’re not a human first, right? You have the conversation.

Justine Bean (01:16:15) – Absolutely. And actually continuing to be their friend and holding them accountable in some ways is a lot, I think, worth a lot more than just being like, we can’t be friends. Yeah. Like if you have the capacity and you still love this person and you’re just noticing something that deserves attention, hey, we or we’re going to come up with a plan for this, like presuming the person is receptive, obviously. And if not, then you make the decision to like take space or whatever. That’s, you know, all of that is good and right. Yeah. And I just feel like there’s so much less like, accountability. Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (01:16:48) – Absolutely. Yeah.

Justine Bean (01:16:50) – I get a little heated about it because I’ve been a few times recently. Yeah. And it’s been yeah, it’s, it’s hurt me to witness actually.

Sebastian Naum (01:16:58) – Yeah I’m sure.

Justine Bean (01:16:59) – Yeah I’m.

Sebastian Naum (01:17:00) – Sure. And then you get reminded of all the beauty that comes from it. And I’m sure that like, are you seeing a lot of like, impact driven businesses that are coming from relationships that you’ve put together and in communities? Are you seeing that also happen a lot? Yes, like new movements, brands, community things?

Justine Bean (01:17:18) – Totally, yeah.

Justine Bean (01:17:20) – All the community friends with is full of people supporting each other’s businesses and creating their own business relationships. Like giraffes. All their sponsors are coming from within our community. Right? And like tendrils of, Oh, but this is my other friends company and it’s like living Prana, a community built brand liquid death. Peter You know, he’s in my summit community. Like, we all support each other, like all these things. They’re all trying to change the world in some and all and they’re, yeah, they’re all impact driven and they’re recognizing other people in this space that they’re like, Oh, this is connected to somebody I know and trust. Great. Now they’re forming their own partnerships. I love that. Amazing. It happens. It’s been happening all over the place. I love that.

Sebastian Naum (01:18:04) – Yeah. Yeah. So, Justine, how do you want to be remembered from all like, from all of this that you’re building? What do you want? How is how are you being remembered? What is sticking? Whether it is when you’re an old lady or gone.

Justine Bean (01:18:18) – Yeah. Besides, I hope that people remember I was a mermaid. Okay. Mermaid.

Sebastian Naum (01:18:22) – That’s one. Sebastian over here. The crab in The Little Mermaid. So we come from the same movie.

Justine Bean (01:18:28) – We do come from. I love it. Yeah. I think that I want people to remember.

Sebastian Naum (01:18:35) – Wow, we have an alarm going on.

Justine Bean (01:18:38) – Um, what I want people to remember about me is that I lead with love and that I created more love in this world. That’s what I want. Created.

Sebastian Naum (01:18:46) – More love in the world. I love that.

Justine Bean (01:18:47) – I hope that I’m not perfect at it at all. And it is a lifetime practice. But I told you in that moment of witnessing death, the only thing that matters to me is creating more love. And with every action that I do, I try intentionally with awareness to create more love with it. I love that. Not perfect, but that is my goal. And so I want people to know that about me.

Sebastian Naum (01:19:09) – That’s beautiful. That’s beautiful.

Sebastian Naum (01:19:10) – Justine I love that. What are two traits that are Conscious Leader must embody today? Um.

Justine Bean (01:19:16) – I’m just going to keep repeating myself. Well, one I think is empathy. Absolutely. I think it’s lacking a lot of leadership and mostly because you have to stamp out that part of you to make certain decisions, I think and I don’t know honestly what the middle ground of that is, but there is a lot of practice to be to let there. And then, yeah, heart just like remembering that people are humans and connecting heart to heart. I always call myself a core of sexual people like Demi, sexual, like their minds have to connect, like I have to connect with someone’s heart to feel like in love with them. Yeah. And so I think that that if more leaders saw their employees, their colleagues, their business partners, etcetera, with just as humans, just as another human to human. I love.

Sebastian Naum (01:20:03) – That. Yeah, I love that. Justine Well, obviously, yeah, of course.

Sebastian Naum (01:20:06) – Well, obviously I’m going to have your links in the show notes and in the YouTube notes and all that fun stuff, but is there anything that you’re particularly excited about right now that you want to share with people or lead them to, or just you want them to?

Justine Bean (01:20:17) – Yeah, I mean, the communities that I’m working with, I would love everybody to check out the grateful giraffes. I would love them to check out Shreya, which is another community driven project that I’m working on with someone in our community. Kenny Very exciting people. I’m like, want to build an island with like this is the community that I’m going to like have my village with, okay? Which is very exciting. And I’m also quantum Temple, which is putting cultural heritage on the blockchain. Also social environmental driven impact, which is bringing my old life as an archaeologist. Interesting building. Yeah. Head of community hiring with an archaeology background. I think I was the only person on the planet.

Sebastian Naum (01:20:54) – I’m excited to check that out.

Justine Bean (01:20:56) – So all of those are really exciting. And yeah, anybody who’s looking to build a community or build more community programming access their own community organically, like I have a consulting business doing exactly that with community.

Sebastian Naum (01:21:09) – Beautiful. Wow.

Justine Bean (01:21:10) – Yeah.

Sebastian Naum (01:21:10) – When you said community on this podcast, right?

Justine Bean (01:21:13) – I love it if we drink elixirs because no one drinks or we.

Sebastian Naum (01:21:16) – Don’t just take a shot of an elixir every.

Justine Bean (01:21:19) – Time. Ginger shot every time Microdose.

Sebastian Naum (01:21:22) – You’re dying to say community. Oh my gosh, that’s funny. Well, also a shout out to the sponsor of today’s show, which is the kin actually, which is this community, which is a membership network, accelerator and workspace for conscious entrepreneurs, which I absolutely love, which is beautiful. Yeah.

Justine Bean (01:21:36) – So, yeah. Big supporter of Oliver.

Sebastian Naum (01:21:38) – Yeah. Justine Keep doing you. You truly are a conscious leader. You’re a beautiful human. I love what you’re doing, so please keep being you. And thank you so much for being on.

Justine Bean (01:21:46) – Thanks, Sebastian.

Justine Bean (01:21:46) – It’s so great. I love it. Thank you.