In this podcast episode, Sebastian interviews Elina Danilova, renowned life coach and wellness influencer, who shares the transformative power of dance and its role in expressing and releasing emotions. They discuss overcoming the fear of judgment and the importance of dancing for oneself, not just for social media. Elina emphasizes the connection between movement and spirituality, and the concept of ecstatic dance as a personal, judgment-free expression. They also touch on somatic movement and how it can help release suppressed emotions from the body. The conversation highlights the therapeutic aspects of dance and movement in fostering joy, self-discovery, and emotional release.

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Topics Discussed:

  • The Air Conditioning Situation
  • A Powerful Message
  • The Impact of Following
  • Misconceptions about Kazakhstan
  • Moving to LA
  • Approaching Positivity
  • Creating a Supportive Environment
  • Balancing Social Media Consumption
  • Awareness of Mental Health
  • Men’s Mental Health
  • Cultural Attitudes Towards Counseling
  • Promoting Openness About Mental Health
  • Dance and Its Benefits
  • Connecting with the Divine Through Dance
  • Somatic Movement and Emotional Release
  • Therapeutic Benefits of Painting
  • Detaching from Perfectionism in Art
  • Intention Behind Social Media Posting
  • Growth of Social Media Following
  • Shift from Medical Field to Entrepreneurship
  • Clean Beauty and Spray Tanning Business
  • Authenticity and Vulnerability in Content Creation
  • Character Traits of a Conscious Leader
  • Positivity and Leadership
  • Learning Dance Moves
  • Setting Up for Dance Lesson

 

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Sebastian (00:00:00) – Elina, welcome to the show.

 

Elina (00:00:02) – Thanks. Thanks for having me.

 

Sebastian (00:00:03) – Yeah, yeah. You know, people that don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. We are just really hot up in here. We were, like, sweating because we had. There was like, a little air conditioning situation going on.

 

Elina (00:00:14) – And it’s under control now. Hopefully it’s under.

 

Sebastian (00:00:16) – Control. So if you see us sweating a little bit though that’s what’s going on. Yeah. We’re not like nervous or anything. It’s just just hot.

 

Elina (00:00:22) – Just hot.

 

Sebastian (00:00:24) – Well you know.

 

Sebastian (00:00:24) – Well this is funny because I like to ask my guests on the first question is, what was your last oh shit moment. And that could be like, anything good or bad, but it kind of feels like it just happened. But if you want to go beyond that, when is your last oh shit moment?

 

Elina (00:00:36) – What comes to mind is a good oh shit moment just happened. I have so many of them, I don’t know, maybe I could share.

 

Elina (00:00:45) – Just recently I got a message from my Instagram followers and they wrote a message saying, Hey Lena, you’re so inspiring. I love all of your dancing and all of your videos. It just makes me happy, brings me joy and just brings. I feel the joy and warmth through the screen, especially knowing that I can’t walk anymore. And I’m on a wheelchair. And thanks to the technologies, I still get to experience the freedom of flow through you and the joy. Wow. Yeah, that was like, I was so overwhelmed. I was so overwhelmed with emotions of gratitude and humbleness and. yeah. I was just like, that’s so powerful. It was a powerful message from that person just to remind me, hey, like, there’s so much power and positivity and anything you do. So ripple effect you. You effect anyone you don’t know who’s going to watch you. You don’t know how your message, your words going to impact others. And I was just, you know, inspired to continue to do what I do.

 

Sebastian (00:01:45) – That’s amazing. That’s beautiful. Congrats. That’s so cool.

 

Elina (00:01:48) – Oh, wow.

 

Sebastian (00:01:49) – Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And and, I mean, you don’t know who’s going to watch you, right? You don’t know I’m you. You have a very big following, though, so I feel like sometimes it could be easier if when somebody, people that don’t have big followings think that if you have a really big following, that it’s much more easier to feel inspired to create because you feel like you have this big audience, do you believe that that should go the same for people with even smaller audiences, because you just don’t know who’s actually.

 

Elina (00:02:17) – Exactly? Yeah, it’s not about the following. It’s there’s it can be two people following you and you impact someone really deeply. So yeah. Yeah, just always look for inspiration. And there are always ups and downs. I don’t have inspiration 100%. I have my downs. I don’t feel, you know, creative or I feel kind of low. There are moments like that, but it’s okay.

 

Elina (00:02:39) – You’re a human being, but don’t focus on the big crowd. Focus on impacting that one person that’s following you. 

 

Sebastian (00:02:47) – That I love that. So going back a little bit, you’re originally from Kazakhstan and well, most people think that Kazakhstan is like they think of Borat when they think of Kazakhstan, which is super ignorant. And I realize that that’s ignorant, but that’s just what kind of most people have an image of it. And I know that even those images of that in that movie are actually incorrect. There’s like a whole thing with that, not actually even be in Kazakhstan, and people are very offended. So let’s clarify why don’t we just share with the audience, like what is Kazakhstan like? And how did you end up in LA?

 

Elina (00:03:17) – Beautiful country. I’ve never actually seen Borat until I moved to America. Oh, is that right? And everyone’s like, oh, you’re from Kazakhstan? Bringing up all of the quotes. I’ll never forget the image when they brought me.

 

Elina (00:03:28) – I was in college and my friends brought me to this movie room and they said, we’re going to watch Borat because you’ve never seen it. But instead of all of us watching, it was me watching the movie and then watching my reaction to all the things that was happening on the screen. 

 

Sebastian (00:03:42) – It’s like those YouTube reaction videos

 

Elina (00:03:43) – But no, it’s a beautiful country. very nice. I’m also people get confused a lot that thinking that I’m Kazakh, I have no Kazakh blood in me. Okay, but I just happened. I was born there, with my parents, so it’s it’s nice. It’s very different. A lot of, Asian culture. Diverse culture. Okay. Born into a muslim country, too, because Kazakhstan is a muslim country. So it’s just interesting experiences and. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:04:12) – And how did you end up in LA?

 

Elina (00:04:15) – yeah. Just how do people end up in LA randomly? Actually through just a relationship that I had in the past, the relationship didn’t work out, but I liked LA and I was like, it’s hitting my vibe.

 

Elina (00:04:27) – I love the people and I felt comfortable to be here. I love that here.

 

Sebastian (00:04:32) – well that’s great. Here we are. How long have you been in L.A.?

 

Elina (00:04:35) – Five years now, almost.

 

Sebastian (00:04:37) – Got you. So going back a little bit into the, sort of the positive mindset, you know, you work as a wellness coach. It’s one of the many things that you do. but as someone who preaches a lot of positive mindset, right. And as that follower of yours said that you sort of do bleed this positivity through the screen and it’s a beautiful thing, you really do. So I want to acknowledge that now there’s tons of people that, that, that truly have all of the excuses to be sad, to be upset, to be angry. How do you approach positivity and a positive mindset? with people that actually have the excuses, like, I have real excuses to not, you know.

 

Elina (00:05:19) – For sure. I mean, I find excuses every day, so but it’s almost like training your muscle when you work out at the gym, if you consistently show up and do little by little increase your weight to a higher number, you’ll gain muscle.

 

Elina (00:05:33) – And if you continuously do it, you’ll maintain it. So same thing with positivity. It’s kind of like a mindset choice. You wake up and instead of following maybe that negative self-talk or self-doubt talk, and basing all of the excuses on your current maybe valid, valid condition, but trying to reframe and, your brain into thinking positive or finding the benefit of even the negative stuff that’s happening to you right now and looking for the best option, like, what is it bringing to me? Is it to challenge me? Is it to help me grow? And kind of. Are transforming your brain and mindset to that thinking.

 

Sebastian (00:06:13) – Yeah. Do you feel like there’s a little bit of, would you say a little bit of fake it til you make it a certain standpoint? Because if someone’s just coming in from just like negativity of accumulation, of years of negativity and just things happening to them, we can say some of these beautiful things, but it’s just not going to hit, you know what I mean?

 

Elina (00:06:34) – definitely.

 

Elina (00:06:36) – I believe in fake it til you make it. At some point you have to trick your mindset or your brain a little. There’s even a scientific approach about smiling. Hold the smile a little. You’ll feel already different. So. But of course, it’s not just one of those things and basis. You need help. You need support. You need, counseling. You need coaching. You need someone. You need a proper environment as well for that. So you can just pull it. Fake it til you make and be happy. And hopefully everything is going to go away because you need to put an effort to that and also totally create that environment that will support you for this. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:07:10) – And so when you’re saying environment, what aspects?

 

Elina (00:07:13) – Environment, everything. You know, when they say whatever you listen to, what you eat, to what you eat is what you become. So being really selective with. How much news you’re listening to or what you’re surrounding and what your people are. Maybe people sometimes add on to the negativity if they’re constantly looking for the bad, or they start the day and say, I had the worst day, here it out.

 

Elina (00:07:35) – Yeah, it’s all radio start. So it’s what you also, listen to books, for example. What do you read? continues learning and finding that inspiration of someone that went through the similar thing. And yeah, eating also affects it. It’s just like a wholesome, holistic approach. How you can do it because we’re everything is interconnected, the physical, the mental, the emotional state being. So yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:08:04) – I think we live in a world too, now that people that could be surrounded by negativity in their physical world, maybe it’s their friends, family or whatever, they can still make that choice of being like, well, I’m still going to listen to this, these podcasts or these mentors. You can have basically some of the best mentors in the world that back then you couldn’t you can now have it literally on your phone.

 

Elina (00:08:25) – Everywhere, right? Yeah, exactly. Tune in to your podcast and there we go. But the guest speakers that you were in and, spreading the awareness and, you know, even like you’re talking about conscious leadership and things like that, but, it’s a personal choice.

 

Elina (00:08:41) – Yeah. We’re also surrounded by social media, and I’m just noticing on Instagram and Facebook how explicit of the news that they show and graphics that they show. So just being mindful of who you follow and, who listened to because it’s so constant, it’s everywhere TV, social media platforms, they can destroy you or they can bring you up. So you have to be really careful with that too.

 

Sebastian (00:09:05) – Absolutely. Yeah. There’s like a little bit of a, tough sort of balance trying to find it in. Right. Because I, for example, probably to a fault, I would, I would say and admit that I listen and watch very, very little news because I want to avoid that as much as possible to sometimes where I realize, like, I’m like, okay, I should consume a little bit, you know.

 

Elina (00:09:26) – But it’s a tough.

 

Sebastian (00:09:27) – It’s a tough balance because then it’s like the algorithm starts to really take over, right? So you’re not really choosing what you’re consuming, and then you’re just kind.

 

Elina (00:09:35) – Of pushing and pushing.

 

Sebastian (00:09:36) – Yeah. Yeah. And like and I feel like even myself at someone, as someone who tries to be very much I have a very much a growth mindset. And I’m trying to be very conscious about my actions and all that. I mean, I see myself just opening and picking up and opening like Instagram or whatever, just unconsciously, so many times a day. It’s like sometimes I think of myself like, okay, I’m only gonna open like I started. Like I constantly move the app or and where it is on my phone.

 

Elina (00:10:06) – I’ve done this before.

 

Sebastian (00:10:06) – Yeah. So then I can now have to swipe a few times and then decide, like, why am I opening this right now? You know, like, is there an actual intention behind me opening it? Or I’m just doing it out of like an anxiety type thing, you know?

 

Elina (00:10:19) – So yeah, even trying like when they came up with the idea of pausing and using the social media and having, like, a pause day, I’ve, I’ve noticed the same thing.

 

Elina (00:10:29) – I’m like, you automatically go to the app, but then it’s paused. You can’t really see because you took the time off so that. No, no, it’s it’s like this. Amazing. No, I’m blanking the actual word, but, giving you a break from Instagram without actually disconnecting interesting social accounts so you can set up a timer where it pops up and says, it’s time for you to relax. And, yeah, off of Instagram. And there were I’ve tried it a few times and even myself, I’ve noticed how it’s such an automatic thing, like, oh, totally. And then you can’t see it and you notice, oh yeah, that’s not.

 

Sebastian (00:11:05) – 100%. It’s so much. Yeah, yeah. So, Elina, mental health has become very mainstream. at least in terms of talking about it. It’s May, which is Mental Health Awareness Month, which is awesome. So now we have so much more awareness than we did before. However, I feel that we as a society are still suffering.

 

Sebastian (00:11:24) – Sometimes I wonder, it feels like we’re suffering more than ever before. And so I’m wondering, is there really more suffering happening? Or is it just that the awareness now is greater? And so and it always existed, and maybe people before just didn’t talk about it as much, or we’re actually just suffering a lot more because of social media and constant comparison and so much that’s going on. What do you think that sort of stands?

 

Elina (00:11:49) – I think it’s perhaps even both, because there is a lot more happening. Plus, within the past a few years, even, we went through such a shift and impacted every single family and person in the world. And, so it brought up a lot of things that weren’t addressed before, a lot of emotions that people didn’t know existed, drama, etc. and I’m very happy that it’s becoming like the thing to talk about it, but it’s also giving that option for people to be a little bit more open and. Okay to share. and yes. So whether this turbulence that happened was it it wasn’t good, but it also had I feel like a good energetic shift for this.

 

Elina (00:12:33) – So. Yeah. People can now focus and say, okay, we know how it used to be. What can we do to make a difference?

 

Sebastian (00:12:40) – Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. At least for me. What I’ve noticed now too is, just with men, a lot more like, I think, you know, women have always felt much more comfortable talking about emotions. Always. And so now I’m starting to see it with men my age, which most at this point have, or they’re already married or have kids or whatever, and just hearing them talk about it with other guys around my age when, you know, sort of talking about their mental health, I love it. It makes me really happy to hear other other men talking about so openly.

 

Elina (00:13:10) – I’ve worked in medical field for a while, and my last position I worked with mental health people and there was a big percentage of guys, but they were so intimidated to talk about or open up, but they were very suppressed. They felt really, low emotionally.

 

Elina (00:13:29) – And it’s just like the stigma as well. You don’t show that side of you. It’s always the you’re a bigger person if you don’t show your weakness, which should be the opposite. So totally seeing them come up front and being vulnerable, and that’s how they gain the strength to.

 

Sebastian (00:13:44) – Yeah, I mean, it’s just generations of unlearning though for sure because it’s generations of also of war and fight, you know what I mean? There’s so many things that that we consume and watch of our fathers and grandfathers have just, you know, it’s.

 

Elina (00:13:58) – Just one small step towards the big.

 

Sebastian (00:14:01) – Exactly. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

 

Elina (00:14:03) – I grew up in Kazakhstan, been in Russia. And people say it’s it kind of looked down on people that go for a counseling session or some sort of.

 

Sebastian (00:14:13) – It’s still that way.

 

Elina (00:14:14) – Of course. It’s it’s a sign of weakness in some sort, whether you’re a woman or men. Exactly. Or if a man cries, it’s it’s not a good thing. Yeah.

 

Elina (00:14:24) – For the public. So just seeing that being raised in that and coming here and like exploring that alternative option of being open and being vulnerable raw and experiencing all of the emotions.

 

Sebastian (00:14:37) – Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Clearly, I have to remind myself that, that I am in a bubble in a sense, because of the content that I do consume. And a lot of the people that I hang out with and surround myself with, where I’m starting to see that being a, you know, a thing where it’s much more normal to talk about it. So I’m seeing so many more men talk about it and like being okay with crying and showing emotions and all those things, but it’s still like just scratching the surface. Like you said, the majority of the world, the majority of just about everywhere, that that is not that’s not it.

 

Elina (00:15:03) – Hoping to progress to the better. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:15:05) – Yeah, exactly.

 

Elina (00:15:06) – We we have that opportunity to speak about it and make it more comfortable for others to open up as well.

 

Sebastian (00:15:12) – Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. you are constantly dancing and constantly dancing, and you have a huge smile that bleeds through the screen as that person was sort of sharing that with you. do you what does dance do for you?

 

Elina (00:15:28) – Movement is life. So when I started, dancing was just fun. When you dance, you forget about all of the stressors you need that movement in your body to release particular energy stagnant. We work with it all the time and it just brings life to you. When you listen to music and you’re dancing, you’re automatically happy. And dancing is also just like life. You learn so many lessons through this being open, flexible and being put on the spot of learning the steps. And also, yeah, it’s just a beautiful dance of life that you get to learn.

 

Sebastian (00:16:05) – Yeah. So you said being put on the spot to learning that steps. So that’s something that, you know, even for me that’s always been like oh like that’s embarrassing for me, right? Because maybe it’s just not the easiest thing for me, right.

 

Sebastian (00:16:19) – Or something like that. Right. So should everybody be dancing?

 

Elina (00:16:22) – everyone should do something, and they shouldn’t be stopping themselves from feeling embarrassed. A lot of people say, well, you’re a great dancer. Have fun. I love watching dance, I won’t dance, I have two left feet. I’m like, yes, maybe some people are not naturally inclined to dance, but it’s just a beautiful thing to try and try something new. At least don’t be scared and don’t be harsh to yourself. It’s not about the perfection and looking great and knowing the steps. It’s about enjoying it fully with your heart. Whether you’re dancing in the shower, singing in the shower, you’re dancing at home and exploring your creative side. Creative voice through that is just an opening channel for you to feel the emotions. And totally.

 

Sebastian (00:17:05) – You don’t have to be dancing on your stories or on social media, or posting it on real. You could just be dancing by yourself in the morning. And that’s still, you know, adding to your life.

 

Sebastian (00:17:13) – Yeah, yeah. I want to read a quote by Hafez. Okay. Every child has known God, not the god of names, not the God of don’ts, not the God who ever does anything weird, but the God who knows only four words and keeps repeating them, saying, come dance with me. Come dance. Yeah. Have you heard of that quote before?

 

Elina (00:17:34) – No, I have actually. Beautiful quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:17:39) – What is it? Something come up for you on that just in terms of God and sort of the, the, the connection sort of with, with the divine and how that could be connected through dance or through spirituality.

 

Elina (00:17:53) – For sure. I mean, you when you dance, you connect with yourself, with the emotions, with you. Like I mentioned before, even expressing yourself, if you’ve never danced, you don’t know who you are in that way. Right? Your movements. Everyone has a unique dance, unique way of how they portray themselves through the dance and movement.

 

Elina (00:18:16) – And that’s the beauty of it exploring and owning it and shining through that on the dance floor or not on a dance floor, but in your own way.

 

Sebastian (00:18:24) – Yeah, yeah, I love that. I, it reminds me, I the first time I did an ecstatic dance was in, Thailand. In Bali, it was in Bali. It was about like eight years ago or something like that. And if for whoever’s listening, who doesn’t know what ecstatic dance is essentially, it’s sort of this organized dance where there is a DJ or someone playing the music, but it’s first of all, it’s sober. So nobody’s supposed to be drinking or consuming anything that’s mind altering. And it’s also not meant to be where there were anyone’s kind of like hitting on anybody. It’s meant to be, like, very much for yourself. So yeah, it’s very much personal, and it’s supposed to be about fully expressing yourself without any sort of judgment or anything or anyone else type thing. Right. So that’s kind of the idea of an ecstatic dance.

 

Sebastian (00:19:09) – And for me, the very first time, it was so hard for me to try to really let go it. And I did by the end of it. but it just taught me, just showed me how, like, ingrained it is for me to be constantly thinking about what others think about me. You know.

 

Elina (00:19:30) – That’s. Yeah, it’s just like, what? What will people think about me? How? And you kind of limit your expression in that. I’ve tried a few of those dances as well here on Venice Beach. Yeah. And again, it’s.

 

Sebastian (00:19:41) – A Sunday one.

 

Elina (00:19:41) – Yeah. Up in public with so many different people. And you would think as a dancer I’m easy to dance. But again, it’s a different type of feel and expressing yourself. But once you let go like you said. Yeah, completely relax and allow yourself to be and to explore and dance and have fun. Not only you bring yourself joy, but you discover something about you. The new feelings, the exciting moments.

 

Sebastian (00:20:08) – I love that, yeah, it really is pretty awesome. So you talked a little bit about sort of, you touched on somatic movement, right? So somatic yoga, somatic movement, and you talk about that in some of the content that you do and releasing emotions that are stuck in the body. how does that happen? Why do emotions get stuck in the body. And, and. How does dance or movement help?

 

Elina (00:20:29) – Sure. It’s just if we suppress emotions, our anger or aggravation or something, we don’t. We need some sort of outlet, right? If you laugh, you’re not going to keep it inside. You’re going to give it an outlet for this same thing with other emotions. It’s okay to feel any different range of emotions, but you don’t want to suppress it or else it physically affects you, affects your emotional state and mental state. And I practiced this at home. The somatic. Yeah. Or the movement as well. I think it’s an amazing way to release it and just not keep the anger somewhere or not feel expansion.

 

Elina (00:21:09) – But you know, when you feel anger, you usually feel contraction, right, in a particular area where it holds it. So you want to release that instead of holding it in your body through movement, bounce it off, shake it off, jump it off.

 

Sebastian (00:21:23) – Do you have a specific exercise that you would want to, like suggest to somebody that’s trying to to work with this of being like, oh yeah, I’m angry. Like, I don’t know where it is in my body. It’s everywhere. Like if a how do I go about finding out where in my body the anger lies?

 

Elina (00:21:38) – Sometimes you can just tune in, like if you close your eyes and start thinking about, like what makes you angry, feel it in the body, maybe somewhere, and just put an intention and cleared with your thought and put positivity through that. Or if you’re doing by movement, just shake it off, shake off the bed and jump a lot. If you’re angry, stomp stomping usually helps to just rid of this anger and or box it up or punch a.

 

Sebastian (00:22:04) – Pillow type.

 

Elina (00:22:05) – Stuff. Yeah, go to the room full of yellows and scream and shout it out. Yeah, to release it, I love.

 

Sebastian (00:22:13) – That. What about other forms of art? I know you have a painting workshops, right? How does painting work with in terms of, it’s essentially a creative outlet, but how do you feel that painting really helps with stress and and emotions?

 

Elina (00:22:26) – Well, you know, it’s a I think we’re so built to follow particular directions and also so scared to let go and try new things in the unknown. We follow the guidelines. We like structure in some way, but, through painting is art. You’re explore your soul. So I kind of say that painting is the project of your soul, of whatever is inside you. And, kind of depicts you. So when you. Bypass all of the limitation, feeling uncomfortable to paint. Then you use the colors and you feel the emotions. It’s very therapeutic, just relaxing. it’s maybe silly. And to some people, yeah, unless you’re an artist or those that don’t practice it often, but once you dive into it, just.

 

Elina (00:23:14) – You. You get lost in the world. And because you allow the visions to be portrayed in the painting with the colors. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:23:23) – How do you, So do you feel that it has to do specifically with the colors?

 

Elina (00:23:29) – colors? textures. Okay. The way I lead the intuitive, intuitive painting workshops, I just provide just basic tools of painting. paint brushes. Texture and letting people explore. They can paint with their hands if they want and whatever comes to their mind. But the idea is to actually do it, to make a first step and start the process. Yeah. because if you’re thinking and overthinking, you start getting more stressed instead of being relaxed of what am I going to paint, etc.. But, art itself or drawing itself is just a really calming exercise, very therapeutic. So like as horses, if you notice, some people do, horseback riding and they find peace and that is while grounding.

 

Sebastian (00:24:20) – Yeah. The grounding with animals is huge. Yeah, I did a I took a pottery class, and I sort of I wanted to make sure that it wasn’t just one class.

 

Sebastian (00:24:29) – So I signed up for like a month long type workshop where I was going in multiple times a week. And oh, man, I loved it so much. It was just, yeah, there was so much grounding going on in terms of just using your hands. And also the whole spin wheel thing with, with pottery is like mesmerizing, you know.

 

Elina (00:24:48) – Being able to control something and sculpt something, Yes. Even going back to the intuitive painting, some of my clients that I work with, they will start the process. And as they draw, they realize they realize how they are in life. If they’re a little bit rigid, they notice it through lines that they unintentionally draw. And it’s almost like a self-revelation, because their work with this painting and they go through emotions of uncomfortable blocks, self-doubt, fun, adventurous things. But, yeah, it’s interesting how it comes up, and you’ll even see it in the structure of a painting. Some of it is very rigid, and they’ll say, my understanding from this becomes that I’m a little rigid in my life, because even the way I draw, it’s all structured as there’s no flow.

 

Elina (00:25:42) – And through painting, I realize maybe I should be more receptive to and open to things that go on. So that’s.

 

Sebastian (00:25:49) – Really cool.

 

Elina (00:25:51) – Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:25:52) – So when you’re doing this, are you actually are you looking for some of these things with clients or so after they’re done going through the beginnings of the drawings, like you kind of come in and analyze it together. Yeah.

 

Elina (00:26:01) – So yeah, I’ll share a little bit of the process. It’s kind of unique. I’ll start with a small meditation and I’ll go over the guidelines, not the rules, because there are no rules to create. Okay. just to let them relax and ease into it. The, it’s a guided by music, the whole process. I may do a little bit navigation or, you know, talks during it, but I allow the space to be quiet for for a person to connect with the painting. And at the end we, we talk. We talk about, their experience, what they felt, how they felt, what realizations they came through, some of the things, if I need to guide them, let’s say, like, if I’m noticing something in the picture, particular colors or the feel that I feel, I’ll share with them and it’ll encourage them to open up of why exactly they chose this.

 

Elina (00:26:56) – So and it’s, it’s not guided. It’s using specific colors where, you know, red is associated with anger, for example. Right. They use colors based on what they feel. So maybe a little bit different from the normal systematic, or normal thing that we know about. The colors. But.

 

Sebastian (00:27:17) – Right. It goes a little bit beyond sort of general associations.

 

Elina (00:27:20) – And colors and just, talking through with them of how they feel sometimes if they feel even a block to start the painting, that’s where I jump in and ask them, navigating questions to help them set themselves a little bit relaxed and set themselves back without overthinking the process. And yeah, nice. It’s a beautiful journey. Always comes up differently. And. Range of emotions come out crying, laughing.

 

Sebastian (00:27:48) – Yeah, that’s super cool. I, I say that I am a recovering perfectionist. Okay. And so, when it comes to painting or forms of art, the toughest thing for me is just kind of detaching from the result period.

 

Sebastian (00:28:06) – and I can’t remember if this is an I don’t know if this is an actual study or, but I’ve read it a couple different times and I’ve heard it a couple different times where there’s basically this professor and it’s an art class, and it kind of separates it into two. And at the end of the semester or the quarter or whatever, there’s going to be essentially like an award or a ranking of like the best pieces of art that were created by the groups. And one group is supposed to spend the entire time creating just one perfect piece of art, while the other group is supposed to create one piece of art every single day, no matter what. And so basically, by the end of the semester, you know, you’ve got this one supposed quote unquote, perfect piece of art by the one group. And then you have another group that’s created just hundreds and hundreds to hundreds of pieces of art. And always the best, most beautiful, amazing art comes from the ones that created art every single day without caring.

 

Sebastian (00:29:02) – Because first of all, there was no attachment to the process and the result. And secondly, just by the mere act of creating over and over and over and over again, you’re learning and getting better and better, right? So you’re actually are sort of perfecting that art while sitting here and trying to perfect something, you know?

 

Elina (00:29:18) – Yeah, exactly. Have you heard.

 

Sebastian (00:29:21) – That one.

 

Elina (00:29:21) – Before? no, but I can definitely see it. Yeah. For sure. And, in my personal life, or even with, the intuitive workshops that have been doing with people seeing that. But again, that’s just shows how much it stops us if we’re following that particular purpose. And it just limits us to steps. And if we go a little bit beyond and let go of that perfectionism a little bit, we’re going to discover more. Totally create so much more.

 

Sebastian (00:29:50) – Yeah. I mean, admittedly, like, I, I mean, I started this podcast now it’s been four years now, but truthfully, I wanted to to get it moving.

 

Sebastian (00:29:58) – Well, before that, I knew that I wanted to do it, but there was so many things that were stopping me from getting it going. You know, I think to a certain extent, I’m happy that I there was, you know, a certain amount of planning and strategy behind it. And I did want to create something that was beautiful. And it was well done, because I do like things to be well done. And there was other reasons too. But but at some point you got to start, you know what I mean?

 

Elina (00:30:22) – Exactly. I just posted everything about this talk about the first step is going to be the most challenging, but it’s the most crucial in your journey. even just relating to my social media, creating videos, there are so many times I’ve stopped myself previously or. It’s not perfect. I didn’t say something right. Yeah. Accent. People won’t get it. People laugh and there’s just like, talk talk talk talk talk. Yeah. And what it led me to is a week pass by.

 

Elina (00:30:48) – No posting, another week no posting. Yeah. Just yourself self-conscious of that perfect delivery, which will never happen until you actually start doing things. And it applies to everything in life, whether you’re painting, whether you’re posting videos, and totally. But once you make that step and just continuously do it with an intention to make it beautiful, of course, yeah, you’ll learn so many things and you’ll implement for one after another.

 

Sebastian (00:31:17) – Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, so you have you have a very large following and you post a lot of content. So, so is that how did you is that something that you kind of got to a certain point by simply doing what you were saying just to like not be a perfectionist and be like, you know what, I’m just going to post a ton of content. There’s the intention is going to be there and it’s going to get better and better. Yep.

 

Elina (00:31:38) – Yeah. I, I just got to the point where I had to stop myself and figured out what’s my intention, why am I posting? Is it just to look pretty and perfect and posh, or is there a particular message that I want to deliver? So if you look at my videos, a lot of them are raw, a lot of them are not properly edited, for example.

 

Elina (00:31:59) – And just because before I had to push content so I wouldn’t even stop myself because I feel like there’s a message that I can deliver to people or something that will help inspire others to move forward and gain strength. And why should I? stop, stop myself with the perfectionism rather than just pushing in. So it was actually very challenging for me in the beginning to really. Yeah. I’m very private person in general. And open wow page for me was when did you start posting? Two years ago.

 

Sebastian (00:32:34) – That’s it, that’s it.

 

Elina (00:32:35) – No way. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:32:37) – Did you already have a following?

 

Elina (00:32:38) – No. So before I had like 1300 friends, I was private and someone pushed me and they said, you know, you should kind of share of your journey, share of you a little bit with the rest of the world. Yeah. And after I pressed the button and became public, I had a little bit of anxiety. Yeah, of course, because I thought of so many people will see it’s going to be just there.

 

Elina (00:33:01) – Yeah. Social media. But, I think, you know, when you’re moving in some proper or right direction, things just unfold even more. So just just gaining gained traction. And all of this went into now my big following and my exposure.

 

Sebastian (00:33:19) – And just two years ago.

 

Elina (00:33:21) – Two years ago. Really? Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:33:24) – Wow. Like, this is so interesting. Like I love this. Like I people should hear this. Like you literally you had 1300 followers two years. You have 2 million now, was there one specific turning point that caused something to go viral?

 

Elina (00:33:36) – For sure. It was my dancing video that went viral. Okay, I was.

 

Sebastian (00:33:42) – One specific dancing video.

 

Elina (00:33:43) – Yes, one. Okay. And then just went up. Then I started posting more.

 

Sebastian (00:33:49) – But the consistency though, your.

 

Elina (00:33:50) – Consistency is what? Yeah. You know, a lot of people look at me and say, oh, it’s easy for you, Lena, because you have big following. You’re recognized totally. But it wasn’t there.

 

Elina (00:33:59) – Beautiful life. I’m like, no, because I have my ups and downs and yeah, it looks fun and exciting. You have big following, but again, it’s it’s not about like, the luck. Yeah, maybe I got lucky with that one and just threw me into the pool of other influencers or into the public. But it’s all about the consistency, dedication and totally whenever it’s low, when you have 10,000 people on following you and then 20 following you back, seeing all of these trends, you’re still going and still moving. Now, I.

 

Sebastian (00:34:34) – Assume you have to just ignore that stuff.

 

Elina (00:34:35) – Right? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it’s just like a life journey. Yeah. Experiencing. Well, you’ve heard that.

 

Sebastian (00:34:42) – Definition of luck, right? When readiness meets opportunity.

 

Elina (00:34:45) – Exactly. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:34:46) – So sure. Luck. But that’s readiness. Meaning opportunity.

 

Elina (00:34:50) – Right. Kind of created it. Exactly.

 

Sebastian (00:34:52) – Yeah. That’s so cool. So yeah. Thanks for sharing.

 

Elina (00:34:55) – That.

 

Sebastian (00:34:55) – Yeah, I love that. I know you said you had, you worked in the medical field, right? And you shifted from sort of the medical field into entrepreneurship. We could talk a little bit about your, your spray tanning business that you have, which is in the clean beauty space. But first, what inspired you to make that shift? What why did you leave the medical field? What exactly were you doing in the medical field?

 

Elina (00:35:15) – medical field. There was just, a patient coordinator. I my journey started just to be a part time at front desk. And I’ve worked for almost a decade with doctors offices, emergency rooms, managing business, business kind of things. And, yeah, because I graduated with business and communications. So. Okay, okay, I’m going to go into. Yeah, but I just got to see the depths of the hospital situation, the politics of it.

 

Sebastian (00:35:47) – It’s bad,

 

Elina (00:35:49) – Yeah. And just like the circle that the government creates and don’t really want to get into this politics, I don’t know how you are, but just so you.

 

Sebastian (00:35:57) – Can say whatever you like. I mean, we all know this is one of the most screwed up healthcare systems in the world. Let’s be.

 

Elina (00:36:01) – Real. Like just being, like, working in American system and seeing how their prescriptions, they’re pushing so many prescriptions expensive. Then they push all of the bad foods for you to consume. So you can take prescriptions because you have diabetes or a bunch of other things. And then they change the prescriptions into something else and say, forget about that medicine. Now this one works, and it’s going to be a lot more for you. And they consume. And then you take medication. You have to take medication from that medication.

 

Sebastian (00:36:29) – It’s freaking wild, man.

 

Elina (00:36:30) – It’s crazy. And I got to just see the journey of it. definitely was blessed because I always question, why am I still there? What’s my purpose? And when I have to find that, I, I got to see the backside of it, and it inspired me to wanted to make an impact and make a difference a little bit more, to empower people so they can take control over their lives, rather than just trusting the doctor in another examination, but actually make a difference in their own life and do something from the well-being and the health point of taking care of their physical body.

 

Elina (00:37:08) – And, being aware of like, what other tips and tricks that they can do on a daily basis to feel good. While they’re still exploring the options with seeing a psychiatrist or a doctor.

 

Sebastian (00:37:21) – And so that’s what it was. It was mostly sort of seeing these ugly truths type thing that felt unaligned. Yeah, I said, I gotta get out of this.

 

Elina (00:37:28) – I just got to see the after effects of this. And yeah, and then I felt. But I also felt like there was something more for me waiting than I wanted to. And I thought it was it was a great time right before or after Covid a little bit. Yeah. Stepped out and wanted to step into the wellness and health optimization and explore that option.

 

Sebastian (00:37:50) – Love that. Yeah, it’s always mind blowing to me when I go to like a I have Kaiser as health insurance. So you go to a Kaiser and you go to like the cafeteria or the food and you’re literally seeing like and it’s not just Kaiser. A lot of most hospitals have all of the foods that are making people are sick.

 

Sebastian (00:38:09) – Those are the foods that they’re feeding people in hospitals. Yeah. What in the world? I think that I hope that, you know, maybe like 100 years from now or when we’re all dead. Right? And like, people will kind of look back at these generations and be like, I can’t believe that’s what was going on back then. Right? And it’s like.

 

Elina (00:38:25) – Eventually.

 

Sebastian (00:38:26) – I think it has to be that way.

 

Elina (00:38:29) – Yeah, yeah. It was just an interesting cycle of life that they create. Yeah. And but I, I was grateful for those years that have had the experience and brought me from my Lala land, probably into the reality to see what goes on. I was able to be a part of people’s healing journey, or just journey when they’re the most vulnerable. But it also opened up my eyes to what I want to do and how. What like just to be actually a good human being and pass on a good message that there are ways that you can live a better life?

 

Sebastian (00:39:02) – I love that, I love that well, you’re a wellness coach.

 

Sebastian (00:39:05) – You inspire a lot through dance and paint and things like that. And you also have a spray tanning business, which is a mobile spray tan business. Correct? Mobile.

 

Elina (00:39:15) – Right. I also have a studio.

 

Sebastian (00:39:17) – Oh, okay. Great. Great, awesome. And it is, from what I was learning about it, it’s very much about clean ingredients and things like that. Now, beauty is one of the dirtiest industries out there. So clean beauty is definitely on the rise. so tell us a little bit about about that business for sure.

 

Elina (00:39:33) – opened up my spray tan business, very close to before I left my 9 to 5 job. And initially when I wanted to start something, I thought it would be a great entrance for me as an entrepreneur. But I’m I don’t I’m very particular with smells, with products that I use. You just have to be aware of, like what you put on your body. Yeah, guys, I’m sure they use a lot of different products, but girls are a lot more cosmetics and perfume and literally all.

 

Sebastian (00:40:01) – Over your body and your skin is your biggest.

 

Elina (00:40:02) – Organ. My intention for this spray tan was to what could I do that would be less harmful? But it will have good ingredients and will be beneficial. We’ll make empower people, make them feel confident, pretty. We feel great. And so I just started looking from the different products that they offer. Tried so many things on me just to see what I like, what I don’t like. Yeah. Ingredients and eliminating. It’s I have to tell you, there’s a lot more solutions with bad stuff and so many colorings than it is to just find a, you know, a clean product. Yeah. And it’s important for me just, carrying the I know in this organic if you can say, uhhuh products. But I just want to know that whatever I applied to other people, it’s not going to damage them as much as, for example, even laying out in the sun. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:41:01) – Are there solutions for that right now? I know I noticed you saying as much.

 

Sebastian (00:41:04) – It’s not. It’s like it’s tough for it to be super clean basically all the way clean.

 

Elina (00:41:08) – Exactly. They spray tan. Just the main ingredient is the chemical, the chemical that pigments your skin. So I kind of have to it’s a man made product. Okay. But additional ingredients that can be much cleaner. So you can’t really call it or like organic or super clean just because of that man made. Got it. But it’s the main chemical that exists in all of the tanning solutions. However, the ones that I chose, they’re just, you know, vegan, cruelty free and non-toxic for your body. And I have clients that are also mommies to be. So for me. Yeah, very important to totally, know what I’m putting on their body. Yeah, yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:41:48) – Why do tans empower us?

 

Elina (00:41:50) – Tend to empower just one shade? I don’t know, just does something. I mean, we we talked about it earlier a little bit before we started recording.

 

Sebastian (00:41:58) – Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Elina (00:41:59) – But even myself, I’m very pale. and it’s just like the visual effect of it. And you look. Yeah. So different.

 

Sebastian (00:42:08) – I wonder what it is.

 

Elina (00:42:10) – The color, the visual. Maybe that’s that’s my guess. But it feels better. And. I feel like you’re so used to seeing yourself from one perspective, and then a little bit of shade makes you feel happy. Totally changes. Change the.

 

Sebastian (00:42:25) – Trajectory. I love that, I love that, but I love that you’re focused, you focused on, you know, all of the, clean aspects of it. And, I just really love your journey. You know, how it all came to be. Touching back a bit as we’re closing out here on, you know, authenticity, you you do speak about the importance of authenticity, vulnerability, you know, staying true to yourself and how in this world of, like, sort of going back to the social media thing. Right? So in this world of, you know, likes and and views and algorithms and stuff like that, how do you feel that you can really do that without worrying about what’s what is going to be trending or what is going to help you grow? How can you really stay true to that?

 

Elina (00:43:13) – Well, that’s challenging.

 

Elina (00:43:14) – I’ve had moments where I would track my likes and then I would catch myself. I’m like, oh, wow, I’m being distracted. Yeah. or just, aiming for to be famous or to have viral views. That’s not the goal. So just comes to the core.

 

Sebastian (00:43:31) – Do you admittedly were doing that clearly.

 

Elina (00:43:32) – Well, my goal wasn’t to catch the views, but I always watched like, oh, who liked me? Oh, I got so many likes. Got it. And I caught myself in the moment where I felt like the likes were validation for me. And that was like a very different kind of dark journey to follow. Yeah. So I had to remind myself and pull back, because what I’m producing is not for viral views or not for like so for I’m creating. And I’m happy to hear that it’s noticed that I’m speaking with authentic or like leading with authenticity because that’s what I want to be. Yeah, authentic, as real as possible. there’s so much of. You know, just a blank.

 

Elina (00:44:17) – There’s just so much of inauthentic people. And, Yeah, it’s just like being true to yourself and being true to showing your true self to others is really important. Don’t get distracted with algorithms or follow that.

 

Sebastian (00:44:32) – Yeah. What is that intention for you? Do you have a the same intention every time you’re beginning to create for you? Is there like this sort of North Star that’s always the same. And then you create different things around that? Or is it change every time you’re creating?

 

Elina (00:44:48) – I have a solid form that I follow. Okay. I want to know if I can educate people and deliver something that would be useful, that people can apply to themselves.

 

Sebastian (00:44:59) – Okay. So there’s always that intention first of educating. So giving value of some sort.

 

Elina (00:45:03) – I think is important I get value from you. You taught me something amazing. And we share all different gifts. Yeah that’s really important. And just sharing my journey. It’s, you know, I’m, I don’t really specifically just focus on beauty on my Instagram or social platforms.

 

Elina (00:45:23) – I focus on my life and I show the difference of different things that I do and but try to be as real as possible. Yeah. So yeah. For sure.

 

Sebastian (00:45:34) – Do you, do you worry about how certain content may or may not tie to your businesses, for example, or sort of letting go of that even brings more business to sort of like mission driven businesses that you have. because you have your coaching, your wellness coaching, and then and then you have your, you know, clean beauty brand. And so both have beautiful purposes behind them. Do you think about that when you’re creating content? Because I think a lot of us people are listening to this podcast maybe, or people that are creating content, they are worried at some point, like, well, how is this going to help, like my business or not like the bottom line, right.

 

Elina (00:46:11) – Well, yeah, I, I can see the the question pop popping up on this. It’s just, businesses me and, you know, it’s not just some business.

 

Elina (00:46:22) – Of course, combining it together brings more clientele, but it’s interrelated because it’s me. It’s my desire is how I want to portray a good, cleaning and good clean products and, you know, like, empower people from the same aspects and empower them to aim for dreams as well as you open the business. So I hope my message relates to both. And they’re kind of just combined together. Yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure.

 

Sebastian (00:46:51) – Yeah. well Elina, what do you feel are the top two? Character traits that a conscious leader must embody today.

 

Elina (00:47:03) – I believe a conscious leader needs to embody empathy. And positivity. You have to. You have to be empathetic. You have to allow people to be heard and, show that compassion because everyone is on a journey. Everyone has a different journey. And as a leader. You just want to be there for a person to challenge them to grow so they can get on a different level as well and understand their journey, but help them. I get even better where they’re headed.

 

Elina (00:47:41) – And positivity is everything. It’s. It’s everything. It touches so many hearts and. Yeah. leading with positivity instead of looking on negative and just knowing how you handle yourself and teaching others and contributing, even in a future generation to spread that positivity will make a difference in so many aspects of our lives and the company structure, and in the relationships that we create with people, with friends, with family. So it all starts with us.

 

Sebastian (00:48:16) – That’s beautiful. Yeah, well, you’re truly a conscious leader, so keep doing you. And, now what we’ll do is I want to, you know, we’ll cut out here, but, like, you’re going to have to maybe teach me, like, a little move of some sort because I this is definitely out of my comfort zone. Okay. And so after all that we’ve been talking about and all of the content that I’ve seen of you, if we don’t do a little like step, I would feel ashamed, you know, like it’s not complete.

 

Sebastian (00:48:40) – Yeah for sure. So what what should what should we do, though? What little step are you going to teach me.

 

Elina (00:48:45) – Or show me? I feel like we can do bachata.

 

Sebastian (00:48:47) – Bachata? Okay. We’ll do.

 

Elina (00:48:49) – Watch out that going back into your boot. I think that was really good.

 

Sebastian (00:48:53) – Well, my real roots would be tango. Tango? Do you do dance? Tango?

 

Elina (00:48:56) – Yes, I do, but. Oh, you do need a little bit of space.

 

Sebastian (00:48:58) – That’s a little bit more hardcore. More space. Okay.

 

Elina (00:49:02) – We can. Okay.

 

Sebastian (00:49:03) – Perfect. Perfect. Nice. Okay, cool.

 

Elina (00:49:07) – Sitting on chairs for a while.

 

Sebastian (00:49:08) – Right on. All right, so we’ll cut to that. We’ll set up and we’ll do a little something cool.

 

Sebastian (00:49:14) – Awesome cool.

 

Sebastian (00:00:00) – Elina, welcome to the show.

 

Elina (00:00:02) – Thanks. Thanks for having me.

 

Sebastian (00:00:03) – Yeah, yeah. You know, people that don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. We are just really hot up in here. We were, like, sweating because we had. There was like, a little air conditioning situation going on.

 

Elina (00:00:14) – And it’s under control now. Hopefully it’s under.

 

Sebastian (00:00:16) – Control. So if you see us sweating a little bit though that’s what’s going on. Yeah. We’re not like nervous or anything. It’s just just hot.

 

Elina (00:00:22) – Just hot.

 

Sebastian (00:00:24) – Well you know.

 

Sebastian (00:00:24) – Well this is funny because I like to ask my guests on the first question is, what was your last oh shit moment. And that could be like, anything good or bad, but it kind of feels like it just happened. But if you want to go beyond that, when is your last oh shit moment?

 

Elina (00:00:36) – What comes to mind is a good oh shit moment just happened. I have so many of them, I don’t know, maybe I could share.

 

Elina (00:00:45) – Just recently I got a message from my Instagram followers and they wrote a message saying, Hey Lena, you’re so inspiring. I love all of your dancing and all of your videos. It just makes me happy, brings me joy and just brings. I feel the joy and warmth through the screen, especially knowing that I can’t walk anymore. And I’m on a wheelchair. And thanks to the technologies, I still get to experience the freedom of flow through you and the joy. Wow. Yeah, that was like, I was so overwhelmed. I was so overwhelmed with emotions of gratitude and humbleness and. yeah. I was just like, that’s so powerful. It was a powerful message from that person just to remind me, hey, like, there’s so much power and positivity and anything you do. So ripple effect you. You effect anyone you don’t know who’s going to watch you. You don’t know how your message, your words going to impact others. And I was just, you know, inspired to continue to do what I do.

 

Sebastian (00:01:45) – That’s amazing. That’s beautiful. Congrats. That’s so cool.

 

Elina (00:01:48) – Oh, wow.

 

Sebastian (00:01:49) – Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And and, I mean, you don’t know who’s going to watch you, right? You don’t know I’m you. You have a very big following, though, so I feel like sometimes it could be easier if when somebody, people that don’t have big followings think that if you have a really big following, that it’s much more easier to feel inspired to create because you feel like you have this big audience, do you believe that that should go the same for people with even smaller audiences, because you just don’t know who’s actually.

 

Elina (00:02:17) – Exactly? Yeah, it’s not about the following. It’s there’s it can be two people following you and you impact someone really deeply. So yeah. Yeah, just always look for inspiration. And there are always ups and downs. I don’t have inspiration 100%. I have my downs. I don’t feel, you know, creative or I feel kind of low. There are moments like that, but it’s okay.

 

Elina (00:02:39) – You’re a human being, but don’t focus on the big crowd. Focus on impacting that one person that’s following you. Yeah, yeah, I love.

 

Sebastian (00:02:47) – That I love that. So going back a little bit, you’re originally from Kazakhstan and well, most people think that Kazakhstan is like they think of Borat when they think of Kazakhstan, which is super ignorant. And I realize that that’s ignorant, but that’s just what kind of most people have an image of it. And I know that even those images of that in that movie are actually incorrect. There’s like a whole thing with that, not actually even be in Kazakhstan, and people are very offended. So let’s clarify why don’t we just share with the audience, like what is Kazakhstan like? And how did you end up in Le Kazakhstan?

 

Elina (00:03:17) – Beautiful country. I’ve never actually seen Borat until I moved to America. Oh, is that right? And everyone’s like, oh, you’re from Kazakhstan? Bringing up all of the quotes. I’ll never forget the image when they brought me.

 

Elina (00:03:28) – I was in college and my friends brought me to this movie room and they said, we’re going to watch Borat because you’ve never seen it. But instead of all of us watching, it was me watching the movie and then watching my reaction to all the things that was happening on the screen. It’s like those.

 

Sebastian (00:03:42) – YouTube reaction.

 

Elina (00:03:43) – Videos. But no, it’s a beautiful country. very nice. I’m also people get confused a lot that thinking that I’m Kazakh, I have no Kazakh blood in me. Okay, but I just happened. I was born there, with my parents, so it’s it’s nice. It’s very different. A lot of, Asian culture. Diverse culture. Okay. Born into a muslim country, too, because Kazakhstan is a muslim country. So it’s just interesting experiences and. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:04:12) – And how did you end up in LA?

 

Elina (00:04:15) – yeah. Just how do people end up in LA randomly? Actually through just a relationship that I had in the past, the relationship didn’t work out, but I liked LA and I was like, it’s hitting my vibe.

 

Elina (00:04:27) – I love the people and I felt comfortable to be here. I love that here.

 

Sebastian (00:04:32) – well that’s great. Here we are. How long have you been in L.A.?

 

Elina (00:04:35) – Five years now. I’ve almost.

 

Sebastian (00:04:37) – Got you. So going back a little bit into the, sort of the positive mindset, you know, you work as a wellness coach. It’s one of the many things that you do. but as someone who preaches a lot of positive mindset, right. And as that follower of yours said that you sort of do bleed this positivity through the screen and it’s a beautiful thing, you really do. So I want to acknowledge that now there’s tons of people that, that, that truly have all of the excuses to be sad, to be upset, to be angry. How do you approach positivity and a positive mindset? with people that actually have the excuses, like, I have real excuses to not, you know.

 

Elina (00:05:19) – For sure. I mean, I find excuses every day, so but it’s almost like training your muscle when you work out at the gym, if you consistently show up and do little by little increase your weight to a higher number, you’ll gain muscle.

 

Elina (00:05:33) – And if you continuously do it, you’ll maintain it. So same thing with positivity. It’s kind of like a mindset choice. You wake up and instead of following maybe that negative self-talk or self-doubt talk, and basing all of the excuses on your current maybe valid, valid condition, but trying to reframe and, your brain into thinking positive or finding the benefit of even the negative stuff that’s happening to you right now and looking for the best option, like, what is it bringing to me? Is it to challenge me? Is it to help me grow? And kind of. Are transforming your brain and mindset to that thinking.

 

Sebastian (00:06:13) – Yeah. Do you feel like there’s a little bit of, would you say a little bit of fake it til you make it a certain standpoint? Because if someone’s just coming in from just like negativity of accumulation, of years of negativity and just things happening to them, we can say some of these beautiful things, but it’s just not going to hit, you know what I mean?

 

Elina (00:06:34) – definitely.

 

Elina (00:06:36) – I believe in fake it til you make it. At some point you have to trick your mindset or your brain a little. There’s a even scientific approach about smiling. Hold the smile a little. You’ll feel already different. So. But of course, it’s not just one of those things and basis. You need help. You need support. You need, counseling. You need coaching. You need someone. You need a proper environment as well for that. So you can just pull it. Fake it til you make and be happy. And hopefully everything is going to go away because you need to put an effort to that and also totally create that environment that will support you for this. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:07:10) – And so when you’re saying environment, what aspects?

 

Elina (00:07:13) – Environment, everything. You know, when they say whatever you listen to, what you eat, to what you eat is what you become. So being really selective with. How much news you’re listening to or what you’re surrounding and what your people are. Maybe people sometimes add on to the negativity if they’re constantly looking for the bad, or they start the day and say, I had the worst day, here it out.

 

Elina (00:07:35) – Yeah, it’s all radio start. So it’s what you also, listen to books, for example. What do you read? continues learning and finding that inspiration of someone that went through the similar thing. And yeah, eating also affects it. It’s just like a wholesome, holistic approach. How you can do it because we’re everything is interconnected, the physical, the mental, the emotional state being. So yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:08:04) – I think we live in a world too, now that people that could be surrounded by negativity in their physical world, maybe it’s their friends, family or whatever, they can still make that choice of being like, well, I’m still going to listen to this, these podcasts or these mentors. You can have basically some of the best mentors in the world that back then you couldn’t you can now have it literally on your phone.

 

Elina (00:08:25) – Everywhere, right? Yeah, exactly. Tune in to your podcast and there we go. But the guest speakers that you were in and, spreading the awareness and, you know, even like you’re talking about conscious leadership and things like that, but, it’s a personal choice.

 

Elina (00:08:41) – Yeah. We’re also surrounded by social media, and I’m just noticing on Instagram and Facebook how explicit of the news that they show and graphics that they show. So just being mindful of who you follow and, who listened to because it’s so constant, it’s everywhere TV, social media platforms, they can destroy you or they can bring you up. So you have to be really careful with that too.

 

Sebastian (00:09:05) – Absolutely. Yeah. There’s like a little bit of a, tough sort of balance trying to find it in. Right. Because I, for example, probably to a fault, I would, I would say and admit that I listen and watch very, very little news because I want to avoid that as much as possible to sometimes where I realize, like, I’m like, okay, I should consume a little bit, you know.

 

Elina (00:09:26) – But it’s a tough.

 

Sebastian (00:09:27) – It’s a tough balance because then it’s like the algorithm starts to really take over, right? So you’re not really choosing what you’re consuming, and then you’re just kind.

 

Elina (00:09:35) – Of pushing and pushing.

 

Sebastian (00:09:36) – Yeah. Yeah. And like and I feel like even myself at someone, as someone who tries to be very much I have a very much a growth mindset. And I’m trying to be very conscious about my actions and all that. I mean, I see myself just opening and picking up and opening like Instagram or whatever, just unconsciously, so many times a day. It’s like sometimes I think of myself like, okay, I’m only gonna open like I started. Like I constantly move the app or and where it is on my phone.

 

Elina (00:10:06) – I’ve done this before.

 

Sebastian (00:10:06) – Yeah. So then I can now have to swipe a few times and then decide, like, why am I opening this right now? You know, like, is there an actual intention behind me opening it? Or I’m just doing it out of like an anxiety type thing, you know?

 

Elina (00:10:19) – So yeah, even trying like when they came up with the idea of pausing and using the social media and having, like, a pause day, I’ve, I’ve noticed the same thing.

 

Elina (00:10:29) – I’m like, you automatically go to the app, but then it’s paused. You can’t really see because you took the time off so that. No, no, it’s it’s like this. Amazing. No, I’m blanking the actual word, but, giving you a break from Instagram without actually disconnecting interesting social accounts so you can set up a timer where it pops up and says, it’s time for you to relax. And, yeah, off of Instagram. And there were I’ve tried it a few times and even myself, I’ve noticed how it’s such an automatic thing, like, oh, totally. And then you can’t see it and you notice, oh yeah, that’s not.

 

Sebastian (00:11:05) – 100%. It’s so much. Yeah, yeah. So, Elina, mental health has become very mainstream. at least in terms of talking about it. It’s May, which is Mental Health Awareness Month, which is awesome. So now we have so much more awareness than we did before. However, I feel that we as a society are still suffering.

 

Sebastian (00:11:24) – Sometimes I wonder, it feels like we’re suffering more than ever before. And so I’m wondering, is there really more suffering happening? Or is it just that the awareness now is greater? And so and it always existed, and maybe people before just didn’t talk about it as much, or we’re actually just suffering a lot more because of social media and constant comparison and so much that’s going on. What do you think that sort of stands?

 

Elina (00:11:49) – I think it’s perhaps even both, because there is a lot more happening. Plus, within the past a few years, even, we went through such a shift and impacted every single family and person in the world. And, so it brought up a lot of things that weren’t addressed before, a lot of emotions that people didn’t know existed, drama, etc. and I’m very happy that it’s becoming like the thing to talk about it, but it’s also giving that option for people to be a little bit more open and. Okay to share. and yes. So whether this turbulence that happened was it it wasn’t good, but it also had I feel like a good energetic shift for this.

 

Elina (00:12:33) – So. Yeah. People can now focus and say, okay, we know how it used to be. What can we do to make a difference?

 

Sebastian (00:12:40) – Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. At least for me. What I’ve noticed now too is, just with men, a lot more like, I think, you know, women have always felt much more comfortable talking about emotions. Always. And so now I’m starting to see it with men my age, which most at this point have, or they’re already married or have kids or whatever, and just hearing them talk about it with other guys around my age when, you know, sort of talking about their mental health, I love it. It makes me really happy to hear other other men talking about so openly.

 

Elina (00:13:10) – I’ve worked in medical field for a while, and my last position I worked with mental health people and there was a big percentage of guys, but they were so intimidated to talk about or open up, but they were very suppressed. They felt really, low emotionally.

 

Elina (00:13:29) – And it’s just like the stigma as well. You don’t show that side of you. It’s always the you’re a bigger person if you don’t show your weakness, which should be the opposite. So totally seeing them come up front and being vulnerable, and that’s how they gain the strength to.

 

Sebastian (00:13:44) – Yeah, I mean, it’s just generations of unlearning though for sure because it’s generations of also of war and fight, you know what I mean? There’s so many things that that we consume and watch of our fathers and grandfathers have just, you know, it’s.

 

Elina (00:13:58) – Just one small step towards the big.

 

Sebastian (00:14:01) – Exactly. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

 

Elina (00:14:03) – I grew up in Kazakhstan, been in Russia. And people say it’s it kind of looked down on people that go for a counseling session or some sort of.

 

Sebastian (00:14:13) – It’s still that way.

 

Elina (00:14:14) – Of course. It’s it’s a sign of weakness in some sort, whether you’re a woman or men. Exactly. Or if a man cries, it’s it’s not a good thing. Yeah.

 

Elina (00:14:24) – For the public. So just seeing that being raised in that and coming here and like exploring that alternative option of being open and being vulnerable raw and experiencing all of the emotions.

 

Sebastian (00:14:37) – Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Clearly, I have to remind myself that, that I am in a bubble in a sense, because of the content that I do consume. And a lot of the people that I hang out with and surround myself with, where I’m starting to see that being a, you know, a thing where it’s much more normal to talk about it. So I’m seeing so many more men talk about it and like being okay with crying and showing emotions and all those things, but it’s still like just scratching the surface. Like you said, the majority of the world, the majority of just about everywhere, that that is not that’s not it.

 

Elina (00:15:03) – Hoping to progress to the better. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:15:05) – Yeah, exactly.

 

Elina (00:15:06) – We we have that opportunity to speak about it and make it more comfortable for others to open up as well.

 

Sebastian (00:15:12) – Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. you are constantly dancing and constantly dancing, and you have a huge smile that bleeds through the screen as that person was sort of sharing that with you. do you what does dance do for you?

 

Elina (00:15:28) – Movement is life. So when I started, dancing was just fun. When you dance, you forget about all of the stressors you need that movement in your body to release particular energy stagnant. We work with it all the time and it just brings life to you. When you listen to music and you’re dancing, you’re automatically happy. And dancing is also just like life. You learn so many lessons through this being open, flexible and being put on the spot of learning the steps. And also, yeah, it’s just a beautiful dance of life that you get to learn.

 

Sebastian (00:16:05) – Yeah. So you said being put on the spot to learning that steps. So that’s something that, you know, even for me that’s always been like oh like that’s embarrassing for me, right? Because maybe it’s just not the easiest thing for me, right.

 

Sebastian (00:16:19) – Or something like that. Right. So should everybody be dancing?

 

Elina (00:16:22) – everyone should do something, and they shouldn’t be stopping themselves from feeling embarrassed. A lot of people say, well, you’re a great dancer. Have fun. I love watching dance, I won’t dance, I have two left feet. I’m like, yes, maybe some people are not naturally inclined to dance, but it’s just a beautiful thing to try and try something new. At least don’t be scared and don’t be harsh to yourself. It’s not about the perfection and looking great and knowing the steps. It’s about enjoying it fully with your heart. Whether you’re dancing in the shower, singing in the shower, you’re dancing at home and exploring your creative side. Creative voice through that is just an opening channel for you to feel the emotions. And totally.

 

Sebastian (00:17:05) – You don’t have to be dancing on your stories or on social media, or posting it on real. You could just be dancing by yourself in the morning. And that’s still, you know, adding to your life.

 

Sebastian (00:17:13) – Yeah, yeah. I want to read a quote by Hafez. Okay. Every child has known God, not the god of names, not the God of don’ts, not the God who ever does anything weird, but the God who knows only four words and keeps repeating them, saying, come dance with me. Come dance. Yeah. Have you heard of that quote before?

 

Elina (00:17:34) – No, I have actually. Beautiful quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:17:39) – What is it? Something come up for you on that just in terms of God and sort of the, the, the connection sort of with, with the divine and how that could be connected through dance or through spirituality.

 

Elina (00:17:53) – For sure. I mean, you when you dance, you connect with yourself, with the emotions, with you. Like I mentioned before, even expressing yourself, if you’ve never danced, you don’t know who you are in that way. Right? Your movements. Everyone has a unique dance, unique way of how they portray themselves through the dance and movement.

 

Elina (00:18:16) – And that’s the beauty of it exploring and owning it and shining through that on the dance floor or not on a dance floor, but in your own way.

 

Sebastian (00:18:24) – Yeah, yeah, I love that. I, it reminds me, I the first time I did an ecstatic dance was in, Thailand. In Bali, it was in Bali. It was about like eight years ago or something like that. And if for whoever’s listening, who doesn’t know what ecstatic dance is essentially, it’s sort of this organized dance where there is a DJ or someone playing the music, but it’s first of all, it’s sober. So nobody’s supposed to be drinking or consuming anything that’s mind altering. And it’s also not meant to be where there were anyone’s kind of like hitting on anybody. It’s meant to be, like, very much for yourself. So yeah, it’s very much personal, and it’s supposed to be about fully expressing yourself without any sort of judgment or anything or anyone else type thing. Right. So that’s kind of the idea of an ecstatic dance.

 

Sebastian (00:19:09) – And for me, the very first time, it was so hard for me to try to really let go it. And I did by the end of it. but it just taught me, just showed me how, like, ingrained it is for me to be constantly thinking about what others think about me. You know.

 

Elina (00:19:30) – That’s. Yeah, it’s just like, what? What will people think about me? How? And you kind of limit your expression in that. I’ve tried a few of those dances as well here on Venice Beach. Yeah. And again, it’s.

 

Sebastian (00:19:41) – A Sunday one.

 

Elina (00:19:41) – Yeah. Up in public with so many different people. And you would think as a dancer I’m easy to dance. But again, it’s a different type of feel and expressing yourself. But once you let go like you said. Yeah, completely relax and allow yourself to be and to explore and dance and have fun. Not only you bring yourself joy, but you discover something about you. The new feelings, the exciting moments.

 

Sebastian (00:20:08) – I love that, yeah, it really is pretty awesome. So you talked a little bit about sort of, you touched on somatic movement, right? So somatic yoga, somatic movement, and you talk about that in some of the content that you do and releasing emotions that are stuck in the body. how does that happen? Why do emotions get stuck in the body. And, and. How does dance or movement help?

 

Elina (00:20:29) – Sure. It’s just if we suppress emotions, our anger or aggravation or something, we don’t. We need some sort of outlet, right? If you laugh, you’re not going to keep it inside. You’re going to give it an outlet for this same thing with other emotions. It’s okay to feel any different range of emotions, but you don’t want to suppress it or else it physically affects you, affects your emotional state and mental state. And I practiced this at home. The somatic. Yeah. Or the movement as well. I think it’s an amazing way to release it and just not keep the anger somewhere or not feel expansion.

 

Elina (00:21:09) – But you know, when you feel anger, you usually feel contraction, right, in a particular area where it holds it. So you want to release that instead of holding it in your body through movement, bounce it off, shake it off, jump it off.

 

Sebastian (00:21:23) – Do you have a specific exercise that you would want to, like suggest to somebody that’s trying to to work with this of being like, oh yeah, I’m angry. Like, I don’t know where it is in my body. It’s everywhere. Like if a how do I go about finding out where in my body the anger lies?

 

Elina (00:21:38) – Sometimes you can just tune in, like if you close your eyes and start thinking about, like what makes you angry, feel it in the body, maybe somewhere, and just put an intention and cleared with your thought and put positivity through that. Or if you’re doing by movement, just shake it off, shake off the bed and jump a lot. If you’re angry, stomp stomping usually helps to just rid of this anger and or box it up or punch a.

 

Sebastian (00:22:04) – Pillow type.

 

Elina (00:22:05) – Stuff. Yeah, go to the room full of yellows and scream and shout it out. Yeah, to release it, I love.

 

Sebastian (00:22:13) – That. What about other forms of art? I know you have a painting workshops, right? How does painting work with in terms of, it’s essentially a creative outlet, but how do you feel that painting really helps with stress and and emotions?

 

Elina (00:22:26) – Well, you know, it’s a I think we’re so built to follow particular directions and also so scared to let go and try new things in the unknown. We follow the guidelines. We like structure in some way, but, through painting is art. You’re explore your soul. So I kind of say that painting is the project of your soul, of whatever is inside you. And, kind of depicts you. So when you. Bypass all of the limitation, feeling uncomfortable to paint. Then you use the colors and you feel the emotions. It’s very therapeutic, just relaxing. it’s maybe silly. And to some people, yeah, unless you’re an artist or those that don’t practice it often, but once you dive into it, just.

 

Elina (00:23:14) – You. You get lost in the world. And because you allow the visions to be portrayed in the painting with the colors. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:23:23) – How do you, So do you feel that it has to do specifically with the colors?

 

Elina (00:23:29) – colors? textures. Okay. The way I lead the intuitive, intuitive painting workshops, I just provide just basic tools of painting. paint brushes. Texture and letting people explore. They can paint with their hands if they want and whatever comes to their mind. But the idea is to actually do it, to make a first step and start the process. Yeah. because if you’re thinking and overthinking, you start getting more stressed instead of being relaxed of what am I going to paint, etc.. But, art itself or drawing itself is just a really calming exercise, very therapeutic. So like as horses, if you notice, some people do, horseback riding and they find peace and that is while grounding.

 

Sebastian (00:24:20) – Yeah. The grounding with animals is huge. Yeah, I did a I took a pottery class, and I sort of I wanted to make sure that it wasn’t just one class.

 

Sebastian (00:24:29) – So I signed up for like a month long type workshop where I was going in multiple times a week. And oh, man, I loved it so much. It was just, yeah, there was so much grounding going on in terms of just using your hands. And also the whole spin wheel thing with, with pottery is like mesmerizing, you know.

 

Elina (00:24:48) – Being able to control something and sculpt something, Yes. Even going back to the intuitive painting, some of my clients that I work with, they will start the process. And as they draw, they realize they realize how they are in life. If they’re a little bit rigid, they notice it through lines that they unintentionally draw. And it’s almost like a self-revelation, because their work with this painting and they go through emotions of uncomfortable blocks, self-doubt, fun, adventurous things. But, yeah, it’s interesting how it comes up, and you’ll even see it in the structure of a painting. Some of it is very rigid, and they’ll say, my understanding from this becomes that I’m a little rigid in my life, because even the way I draw, it’s all structured as there’s no flow.

 

Elina (00:25:42) – And through painting, I realize maybe I should be more receptive to and open to things that go on. So that’s.

 

Sebastian (00:25:49) – Really cool.

 

Elina (00:25:51) – Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:25:52) – So when you’re doing this, are you actually are you looking for some of these things with clients or so after they’re done going through the beginnings of the drawings, like you kind of come in and analyze it together. Yeah.

 

Elina (00:26:01) – So yeah, I’ll share a little bit of the process. It’s kind of unique. I’ll start with a small meditation and I’ll go over the guidelines, not the rules, because there are no rules to create. Okay. just to let them relax and ease into it. The, it’s a guided by music, the whole process. I may do a little bit navigation or, you know, talks during it, but I allow the space to be quiet for for a person to connect with the painting. And at the end we, we talk. We talk about, their experience, what they felt, how they felt, what realizations they came through, some of the things, if I need to guide them, let’s say, like, if I’m noticing something in the picture, particular colors or the feel that I feel, I’ll share with them and it’ll encourage them to open up of why exactly they chose this.

 

Elina (00:26:56) – So and it’s, it’s not guided. It’s using specific colors where, you know, red is associated with anger, for example. Right. They use colors based on what they feel. So maybe a little bit different from the normal systematic, or normal thing that we know about. The colors. But.

 

Sebastian (00:27:17) – Right. It goes a little bit beyond sort of general associations.

 

Elina (00:27:20) – And colors and just, talking through with them of how they feel sometimes if they feel even a block to start the painting, that’s where I jump in and ask them, navigating questions to help them set themselves a little bit relaxed and set themselves back without overthinking the process. And yeah, nice. It’s a beautiful journey. Always comes up differently. And. Range of emotions come out crying, laughing.

 

Sebastian (00:27:48) – Yeah, that’s super cool. I, I say that I am a recovering perfectionist. Okay. And so, when it comes to painting or forms of art, the toughest thing for me is just kind of detaching from the result period.

 

Sebastian (00:28:06) – and I can’t remember if this is an I don’t know if this is an actual study or, but I’ve read it a couple different times and I’ve heard it a couple different times where there’s basically this professor and it’s an art class, and it kind of separates it into two. And at the end of the semester or the quarter or whatever, there’s going to be essentially like an award or a ranking of like the best pieces of art that were created by the groups. And one group is supposed to spend the entire time creating just one perfect piece of art, while the other group is supposed to create one piece of art every single day, no matter what. And so basically, by the end of the semester, you know, you’ve got this one supposed quote unquote, perfect piece of art by the one group. And then you have another group that’s created just hundreds and hundreds to hundreds of pieces of art. And always the best, most beautiful, amazing art comes from the ones that created art every single day without caring.

 

Sebastian (00:29:02) – Because first of all, there was no attachment to the process and the result. And secondly, just by the mere act of creating over and over and over and over again, you’re learning and getting better and better, right? So you’re actually are sort of perfecting that art while sitting here and trying to perfect something, you know?

 

Elina (00:29:18) – Yeah, exactly. Have you heard.

 

Sebastian (00:29:21) – That one.

 

Elina (00:29:21) – Before? no, but I can definitely see it. Yeah. For sure. And, in my personal life, or even with, the intuitive workshops that have been doing with people seeing that. But again, that’s just shows how much it stops us if we’re following that particular purpose. And it just limits us to steps. And if we go a little bit beyond and let go of that perfectionism a little bit, we’re going to discover more. Totally create so much more.

 

Sebastian (00:29:50) – Yeah. I mean, admittedly, like, I, I mean, I started this podcast now it’s been four years now, but truthfully, I wanted to to get it moving.

 

Sebastian (00:29:58) – Well, before that, I knew that I wanted to do it, but there was so many things that were stopping me from getting it going. You know, I think to a certain extent, I’m happy that I there was, you know, a certain amount of planning and strategy behind it. And I did want to create something that was beautiful. And it was well done, because I do like things to be well done. And there was other reasons too. But but at some point you got to start, you know what I mean?

 

Elina (00:30:22) – Exactly. I just posted everything about this talk about the first step is going to be the most challenging, but it’s the most crucial in your journey. even just relating to my social media, creating videos, there are so many times I’ve stopped myself previously or. It’s not perfect. I didn’t say something right. Yeah. Accent. People won’t get it. People laugh and there’s just like, talk talk talk talk talk. Yeah. And what it led me to is a week pass by.

 

Elina (00:30:48) – No posting, another week no posting. Yeah. Just yourself self-conscious of that perfect delivery, which will never happen until you actually start doing things. And it applies to everything in life, whether you’re painting, whether you’re posting videos, and totally. But once you make that step and just continuously do it with an intention to make it beautiful, of course, yeah, you’ll learn so many things and you’ll implement for one after another.

 

Sebastian (00:31:17) – Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, so you have you have a very large following and you post a lot of content. So, so is that how did you is that something that you kind of got to a certain point by simply doing what you were saying just to like not be a perfectionist and be like, you know what, I’m just going to post a ton of content. There’s the intention is going to be there and it’s going to get better and better. Yep.

 

Elina (00:31:38) – Yeah. I, I just got to the point where I had to stop myself and figured out what’s my intention, why am I posting? Is it just to look pretty and perfect and posh, or is there a particular message that I want to deliver? So if you look at my videos, a lot of them are raw, a lot of them are not properly edited, for example.

 

Elina (00:31:59) – And just because before I had to push content so I wouldn’t even stop myself because I feel like there’s a message that I can deliver to people or something that will help inspire others to move forward and gain strength. And why should I? stop, stop myself with the perfectionism rather than just pushing in. So it was actually very challenging for me in the beginning to really. Yeah. I’m very private person in general. And open wow page for me was when did you start posting? Two years ago.

 

Sebastian (00:32:34) – That’s it, that’s it.

 

Elina (00:32:35) – No way. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:32:37) – Did you already have a following?

 

Elina (00:32:38) – No. So before I had like 1300 friends, I was private and someone pushed me and they said, you know, you should kind of share of your journey, share of you a little bit with the rest of the world. Yeah. And after I pressed the button and became public, I had a little bit of anxiety. Yeah, of course, because I thought of so many people will see it’s going to be just there.

 

Elina (00:33:01) – Yeah. Social media. But, I think, you know, when you’re moving in some proper or right direction, things just unfold even more. So just just gaining gained traction. And all of this went into now my big following and my exposure.

 

Sebastian (00:33:19) – And just two years ago.

 

Elina (00:33:21) – Two years ago. Really? Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:33:24) – Wow. Like, this is so interesting. Like I love this. Like I people should hear this. Like you literally you had 1300 followers two years. You have 2 million now, was there one specific turning point that caused something to go viral?

 

Elina (00:33:36) – For sure. It was my dancing video that went viral. Okay, I was.

 

Sebastian (00:33:42) – One specific dancing video.

 

Elina (00:33:43) – Yes, one. Okay. And then just went up. Then I started posting more.

 

Sebastian (00:33:49) – But the consistency though, your.

 

Elina (00:33:50) – Consistency is what? Yeah. You know, a lot of people look at me and say, oh, it’s easy for you, Elina, because you have big following. You’re recognized totally. But it wasn’t there.

 

Elina (00:33:59) – Beautiful life. I’m like, no, because I have my ups and downs and yeah, it looks fun and exciting. You have big following, but again, it’s it’s not about like, the luck. Yeah, maybe I got lucky with that one and just threw me into the pool of other influencers or into the public. But it’s all about the consistency, dedication and totally whenever it’s low, when you have 10,000 people on following you and then 20 following you back, seeing all of these trends, you’re still going and still moving. Now, I.

 

Sebastian (00:34:34) – Assume you have to just ignore that stuff.

 

Elina (00:34:35) – Right? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it’s just like a life journey. Yeah. Experiencing. Well, you’ve heard that.

 

Sebastian (00:34:42) – Definition of luck, right? When readiness meets opportunity.

 

Elina (00:34:45) – Exactly. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:34:46) – So sure. Luck. But that’s readiness. Meaning opportunity.

 

Elina (00:34:50) – Right. Kind of created it. Exactly.

 

Sebastian (00:34:52) – Yeah. That’s so cool. So yeah. Thanks for sharing.

 

Elina (00:34:55) – That.

 

Sebastian (00:34:55) – Yeah, I love that. I know you said you had, you worked in the medical field, right? And you shifted from sort of the medical field into entrepreneurship. We could talk a little bit about your, your spray tanning business that you have, which is in the clean beauty space. But first, what inspired you to make that shift? What why did you leave the medical field? What exactly were you doing in the medical field?

 

Elina (00:35:15) – medical field. There was just, a patient coordinator. I my journey started just to be a part time at front desk. And I’ve worked for almost a decade with doctors offices, emergency rooms, managing business, business kind of things. And, yeah, because I graduated with business and communications. So. Okay, okay, I’m going to go into. Yeah, but I just got to see the depths of the hospital situation, the politics of it.

 

Sebastian (00:35:47) – It’s bad,

 

Elina (00:35:49) – Yeah. And just like the circle that the government creates and don’t really want to get into this politics, I don’t know how you are, but just so you.

 

Sebastian (00:35:57) – Can say whatever you like. I mean, we all know this is one of the most screwed up healthcare systems in the world. Let’s be.

 

Elina (00:36:01) – Real. Like just being, like, working in American system and seeing how their prescriptions, they’re pushing so many prescriptions expensive. Then they push all of the bad foods for you to consume. So you can take prescriptions because you have diabetes or a bunch of other things. And then they change the prescriptions into something else and say, forget about that medicine. Now this one works, and it’s going to be a lot more for you. And they consume. And then you take medication. You have to take medication from that medication.

 

Sebastian (00:36:29) – It’s freaking wild, man.

 

Elina (00:36:30) – It’s crazy. And I got to just see the journey of it. definitely was blessed because I always question, why am I still there? What’s my purpose? And when I have to find that, I, I got to see the backside of it, and it inspired me to wanted to make an impact and make a difference a little bit more, to empower people so they can take control over their lives, rather than just trusting the doctor in another examination, but actually make a difference in their own life and do something from the well-being and the health point of taking care of their physical body.

 

Elina (00:37:08) – And, being aware of like, what other tips and tricks that they can do on a daily basis to feel good. While they’re still exploring the options with seeing a psychiatrist or a doctor.

 

Sebastian (00:37:21) – And so that’s what it was. It was mostly sort of seeing these ugly truths type thing that felt unaligned. Yeah, I said, I gotta get out of this.

 

Elina (00:37:28) – I just got to see the after effects of this. And yeah, and then I felt. But I also felt like there was something more for me waiting than I wanted to. And I thought it was it was a great time right before or after Covid a little bit. Yeah. Stepped out and wanted to step into the wellness and health optimization and explore that option.

 

Sebastian (00:37:50) – Love that. Yeah, it’s always mind blowing to me when I go to like a I have Kaiser as health insurance. So you go to a Kaiser and you go to like the cafeteria or the food and you’re literally seeing like and it’s not just Kaiser. A lot of most hospitals have all of the foods that are making people are sick.

 

Sebastian (00:38:09) – Those are the foods that they’re feeding people in hospitals. Yeah. What in the world? I think that I hope that, you know, maybe like 100 years from now or when we’re all dead. Right? And like, people will kind of look back at these generations and be like, I can’t believe that’s what was going on back then. Right? And it’s like.

 

Elina (00:38:25) – Eventually.

 

Sebastian (00:38:26) – I think it has to be that way.

 

Elina (00:38:29) – Yeah, yeah. It was just an interesting cycle of life that they create. Yeah. And but I, I was grateful for those years that have had the experience and brought me from my Lala land, probably into the reality to see what goes on. I was able to be a part of people’s healing journey, or just journey when they’re the most vulnerable. But it also opened up my eyes to what I want to do and how. What like just to be actually a good human being and pass on a good message that there are ways that you can live a better life?

 

Sebastian (00:39:02) – I love that, I love that well, you’re a wellness coach.

 

Sebastian (00:39:05) – You inspire a lot through dance and paint and things like that. And you also have a spray tanning business, which is a mobile spray tan business. Correct? Mobile.

 

Elina (00:39:15) – Right. I also have a studio.

 

Sebastian (00:39:17) – Oh, okay. Great. Great, awesome. And it is, from what I was learning about it, it’s very much about clean ingredients and things like that. Now, beauty is one of the dirtiest industries out there. So clean beauty is definitely on the rise. so tell us a little bit about about that business for sure.

 

Elina (00:39:33) – opened up my spray tan business, very close to before I left my 9 to 5 job. And initially when I wanted to start something, I thought it would be a great entrance for me as an entrepreneur. But I’m I don’t I’m very particular with smells, with products that I use. You just have to be aware of, like what you put on your body. Yeah, guys, I’m sure they use a lot of different products, but girls are a lot more cosmetics and perfume and literally all.

 

Sebastian (00:40:01) – Over your body and your skin is your biggest organ.

 

Elina (00:40:02) – My intention for this spray tan was to what could I do that would be less harmful? But it will have good ingredients and will be beneficial. We’ll make empower people, make them feel confident, pretty. We feel great. And so I just started looking from the different products that they offer. Tried so many things on me just to see what I like, what I don’t like. Yeah. Ingredients and eliminating. It’s I have to tell you, there’s a lot more solutions with bad stuff and so many colorings than it is to just find a, you know, a clean product. Yeah. And it’s important for me just, carrying the I know in this organic if you can say, uhhuh products. But I just want to know that whatever I applied to other people, it’s not going to damage them as much as, for example, even laying out in the sun. Yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:41:01) – Are there solutions for that right now? I know I noticed you saying as much.

 

Sebastian (00:41:04) – It’s not. It’s like it’s tough for it to be super clean basically all the way clean.

 

Elina (00:41:08) – Exactly. They spray tan. Just the main ingredient is the chemical, the chemical that pigments your skin. So I kind of have to it’s a man made product. Okay. But additional ingredients that can be much cleaner. So you can’t really call it or like organic or super clean just because of that man made. Got it. But it’s the main chemical that exists in all of the tanning solutions. However, the ones that I chose, they’re just, you know, vegan, cruelty free and non-toxic for your body. And I have clients that are also mommies to be. So for me. Yeah, very important to totally, know what I’m putting on their body. Yeah, yeah.

 

Sebastian (00:41:48) – Why do tans empower us?

 

Elina (00:41:50) – Tend to empower just one shade? I don’t know, just does something. I mean, we we talked about it earlier a little bit before we started recording.

 

Sebastian (00:41:58) – Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Elina (00:41:59) – But even myself, I’m very pale. and it’s just like the visual effect of it. And you look. Yeah. So different.

 

Sebastian (00:42:08) – I wonder what it is.

 

Elina (00:42:10) – The color, the visual. Maybe that’s that’s my guess. But it feels better. And. I feel like you’re so used to seeing yourself from one perspective, and then a little bit of shade makes you feel happy. Totally changes. Change the trajectory.

 

Sebastian (00:42:25) – I love that, I love that, but I love that you’re focused, you focused on, you know, all of the, clean aspects of it. And, I just really love your journey. You know, how it all came to be. Touching back a bit as we’re closing out here on, you know, authenticity, you you do speak about the importance of authenticity, vulnerability, you know, staying true to yourself and how in this world of, like, sort of going back to the social media thing. Right? So in this world of, you know, likes and and views and algorithms and stuff like that, how do you feel that you can really do that without worrying about what’s what is going to be trending or what is going to help you grow? How can you really stay true to that?

 

Elina (00:43:13) – Well, that’s challenging.

 

Elina (00:43:14) – I’ve had moments where I would track my likes and then I would catch myself. I’m like, oh, wow, I’m being distracted. Yeah. or just, aiming for to be famous or to have viral views. That’s not the goal. So just comes to the core.

 

Sebastian (00:43:31) – Do you admittedly were doing that clearly.

 

Elina (00:43:32) – Well, my goal wasn’t to catch the views, but I always watched like, oh, who liked me? Oh, I got so many likes. Got it. And I caught myself in the moment where I felt like the likes were validation for me. And that was like a very different kind of dark journey to follow. Yeah. So I had to remind myself and pull back, because what I’m producing is not for viral views or not for like so for I’m creating. And I’m happy to hear that it’s noticed that I’m speaking with authentic or like leading with authenticity because that’s what I want to be. Yeah, authentic, as real as possible. there’s so much of. You know, just a blank.

 

Elina (00:44:17) – There’s just so much of inauthentic people. And, Yeah, it’s just like being true to yourself and being true to showing your true self to others is really important. Don’t get distracted with algorithms or follow that.

 

Sebastian (00:44:32) – Yeah. What is that intention for you? Do you have a the same intention every time you’re beginning to create for you? Is there like this sort of North Star that’s always the same. And then you create different things around that? Or is it change every time you’re creating?

 

Elina (00:44:48) – I have a solid form that I follow. Okay. I want to know if I can educate people and deliver something that would be useful, that people can apply to themselves.

 

Sebastian (00:44:59) – Okay. So there’s always that intention first of educating. So giving value of some sort.

 

Elina (00:45:03) – I think is important I get value from you. You taught me something amazing. And we share all different gifts. Yeah that’s really important. And just sharing my journey. It’s, you know, I’m, I don’t really specifically just focus on beauty on my Instagram or social platforms.

 

Elina (00:45:23) – I focus on my life and I show the difference of different things that I do and but try to be as real as possible. Yeah. So yeah. For sure.

 

Sebastian (00:45:34) – Do you, do you worry about how certain content may or may not tie to your businesses, for example, or sort of letting go of that even brings more business to sort of like mission driven businesses that you have. because you have your coaching, your wellness coaching, and then and then you have your, you know, clean beauty brand. And so both have beautiful purposes behind them. Do you think about that when you’re creating content? Because I think a lot of us people are listening to this podcast maybe, or people that are creating content, they are worried at some point, like, well, how is this going to help, like my business or not like the bottom line, right.

 

Elina (00:46:11) – Well, yeah, I, I can see the the question pop popping up on this. It’s just, businesses me and, you know, it’s not just some business.

 

Elina (00:46:22) – Of course, combining it together brings more clientele, but it’s interrelated because it’s me. It’s my desire is how I want to portray a good, cleaning and good clean products and, you know, like, empower people from the same aspects and empower them to aim for dreams as well as you open the business. So I hope my message relates to both. And they’re kind of just combined together. Yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure.

 

Sebastian (00:46:51) – Yeah. well Elina, what do you feel are the top two? Character traits that a conscious leader must embody today.

 

Elina (00:47:03) – I believe a conscious leader needs to embody empathy. And positivity. You have to. You have to be empathetic. You have to allow people to be heard and, show that compassion because everyone is on a journey. Everyone has a different journey. And as a leader. You just want to be there for a person to challenge them to grow so they can get on a different level as well and understand their journey, but help them. I get even better where they’re headed.

 

Elina (00:47:41) – And positivity is everything. It’s. It’s everything. It touches so many hearts and. Yeah. leading with positivity instead of looking on negative and just knowing how you handle yourself and teaching others and contributing, even in a future generation to spread that positivity will make a difference in so many aspects of our lives and the company structure, and in the relationships that we create with people, with friends, with family. So it all starts with us.

 

Sebastian (00:48:16) – That’s beautiful. Yeah, well, you’re truly a conscious leader, so keep doing you. And, now what we’ll do is I want to, you know, we’ll cut out here, but, like, you’re going to have to maybe teach me, like, a little move of some sort because I this is definitely out of my comfort zone. Okay. And so after all that we’ve been talking about and all of the content that I’ve seen of you, if we don’t do a little like step, I would feel ashamed, you know, like it’s not complete.

 

Sebastian (00:48:40) – Yeah for sure. So what what should what should we do, though? What little step are you going to teach me.

 

Elina (00:48:45) – Or show me? I feel like we can do bachata.

 

Sebastian (00:48:47) – Bachata? Okay. We’ll do.

 

Elina (00:48:49) – Watch out that going back into your boot. I think that was really good.

 

Sebastian (00:48:53) – Well, my real roots would be tango. Tango? Do you do dance? Tango?

 

Elina (00:48:56) – Yes, I do, but. Oh, you do need a little bit of space.

 

Sebastian (00:48:58) – That’s a little bit more hardcore. More space. Okay.

 

Elina (00:49:02) – We can. Okay.

 

Sebastian (00:49:03) – Perfect. Perfect. Nice. Okay, cool.

 

Elina (00:49:07) – Sitting on chairs for a while.

 

Sebastian (00:49:08) – Right on. All right, so we’ll cut to that. We’ll set up and we’ll do a little something cool.

 

Sebastian (00:49:14) – Awesome cool.