Show notes as a general guide below. Somewhat in order and not written in perfect grammar because we want you to actually listen to the show!

Topics Discussed:

• Decision-Making Without a Map
• The Power of Visceral Vision
• Push vs. Pull Motivation
• Hollywood Stunts and Persistent Value
• Transitioning Identities
• “Go Fast Alone, Go Far Together”
• Courage vs. Fear
• The Traveling Good Tour
• Speaking it into Existence
• Learning from Failure

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[0:00] Seb: My dude, you’re someone that makes decisions very differently than most, and I feel like you don’t have the same level of fear around change or around doing outlandish things that are completely out of your comfort zone. How do you come across making decisions without really worrying or planning for things?

[0:15] Brandon: I try to plan for things!

[0:17] Seb: Really?

[0:17] Brandon: Oh I try, I try, I try. But I don’t need all the pieces together to make a decision. I think the biggest thing for me is just getting really clear on the vision and like what I want to see and what I want to bring into the world. For example, when first starting Beyond the Board, just the idea of having a school bus and rolling up to a random ass town in Texas and a bunch of skaters and music jump out of the vehicle and we teach people to skate and like—it’s just a vibe.

[0:46] Seb: Yeah!

[0:47] Brandon: I got so excited at the vision of that that I could feel that moment so viscerally—like, I’m like “this is the coolest thing ever.”

[0:53] Seb: That’s epic. And you’re not like, “Oh, how are we going to… the money situation and the organizational details?” because I feel like I get caught up in a lot of details sometimes. Like, “this is yes, this is the end result,” but how? And I know that I’m like—things are always trying to teach me, like: “Don’t worry about the how, the how will fall into place,” you know what I mean? But it sounds hard sometimes to do that.

[1:13] Brandon: Yeah, I mean I think once you commit to doing something and you tell people you’re going to do it, it’s going to happen. And I’ve done that so many times—when you commit. When you commit. And there’s different types of motivation, right? There’s like “push” motivation and “pull” motivation. I feel like push motivation is you’re being pushed and it’s more aggressive and it feels like a burden.

[1:33] Seb: Okay.

[1:34] Brandon: Pull motivation is like, “Yo, there’s that thing I’m excited for, that vision, that place we’re going,” that’s like I’m being pulled towards it.

[1:42] Seb: Awesome man. Push versus pull motivation.

[1:45] Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:46] Seb: So how do you differentiate between push versus pull motivation when you’re feeling like “I’m being pulled to do something,” but now I gotta push, right? There’s always like a combination—like, okay, I’m pulled to do this, I think I’m called to do this, but in order to do it, then now you gotta start pushing. Does that make any sense? Or do you feel like for you, you can differentiate between push versus pull really easily?

[2:04] Brandon: Yeah, push versus pull… I mean, there’s things you’re going to have to push yourself to do. I don’t know if that necessarily fits into this whole push versus pull thing. Push is like—as long as you lead and try and align yourself to the pull motivation, I think the rest of the shit will figure itself out. There’s always going to be things that you don’t want to do.

[2:23] Seb: Totally. Has that worked out for you most of the time?

[2:25] Brandon: It has. I mean, it’s been scary. Definitely like for a few of our Beyond the Board tours, man, it was like… I knew the tour was going to cost us, let’s just say $40,000 to go on the road for a few months and support a team and pay for gas and pay for all these events. And it was very common that the one month leading up to the tour, we only had $10,000 committed in sponsorship. And we were in conversation for like maybe $100,000, right? But I’m like, “We’re going to leave in four weeks and gotta leave no matter what.” You know, it’s going to happen. And so, I don’t know, I just feel like when you’re committed at that level and it is happening, you always figure out a way to make it happen. Just somehow through the grace of God or whatever it is.

[3:06] Seb: I love that. When you were kind of a stunt double for Vin Diesel, how did that news feel right away? Is there a feeling of like, “Oh shit, I made it”? Is there a little bit of that? And also like, “Oh, how am I going to do this?” Or were you already like, “Oh, well, I’m going to stunt double for him doing something I know how to do well,” which is speed skating down a hill? Which is an epic scene—what was that movie called again?

[3:29] Brandon: xXx: Return of Xander Cage (Triple X 3).

[3:31] Seb: I love it. Was there a little bit of that “I made it” or “Oh shit, how am I going to do it?”

[3:35] Brandon: It was basically like… I just didn’t even ask any questions. I didn’t ask how much I was getting paid, I didn’t ask how long I was going to be there. It all just felt like a dream and I just felt so, honestly, out of place. I was like, “Out of all the people, why did they pick me?” And I know why they picked me. They picked me because—

[3:51] Seb: Because you’re bald?

[3:53] Brandon: Actually, I had super long hair. I had to shave it.

[3:55] Seb: You had long hair, I know! You had to shave it, right?

[3:56] Brandon: I did, I did. But no, they picked me because they asked my sponsor. They’re like, “Hey, who’s one guy that would crush it for this?” And I was supposed to be the backup. I was supposed to be like the backup guy. And the reason my sponsor picked me and recommended me is just because I was so persistent in providing value for them and giving and giving and giving. And what ended up happening is we showed up on set and the original guy they picked wasn’t a good fit, and then I ended up being the main guy and they found a, you know, a replacement—like a backup for me then.

[4:26] Seb: That’s great. You never know when the backup quarterback becomes the, you know, the Super Bowl winner. You could be backup the whole season and then the main guy gets injured at like, you know, the conference championship and then you gotta come in for the Super Bowl.

[4:38] Brandon: That’s exactly what it felt like. And it was epic.

[4:41] Seb: Brandon, I feel like you’ve done a lot of the things in your life that you’ve accomplished and gotten to the next stage—alone. And whether it was moving from Portland to LA and then becoming a professional skateboarder, promoting yourself, creating all this content that got you a following during the pandemic, then kind of like going around the country—but it was kind of like you planned a lot of things on your own. And I’ve noticed recently that you’ve started to speak out more vulnerably about the power of building a team and allowing others to help you. Is it easy for you to allow others to help you when you’ve done everything on your own your whole life?

[5:16] Brandon: No, it’s super difficult.

[5:17] Seb: It’s hard, huh?

[5:18] Brandon: Super difficult. But it’s such a “small business mindset” to think you’re the best at everything. You know what I mean? And one of the quotes I listened to recently that just resonated with me so heavily is: “If you want to go fast, go alone, and if you want to go far, go together.” And I’m really in a phase where I want to go far. I’m tired of going fast.

[5:39] Seb: And you’ve gone—literally—you’ve gone fast your whole life. Downhills. You’ve bombed hills your whole life. Motorcycle, skateboard, everything. Yeah, pretty fast.

[5:49] Brandon: Now it’s time to go far.

[5:51] Seb: Now it’s time to go far. You make this decision to basically buy a bus and turn it into something that’s going to be this epic trip and go around different cities and giving back, teaching people how to skateboard—which is really around teaching people how to get beyond their fears.

[6:05] Brandon: Yes.

[6:06] Seb: So it’s kind of like “we’re going to attack this one fear and teach you how to really be able to conquer fear.” So, what have you learned through all these experiences about conquering fear? Like, what does fear mean to you? Bombing down hills on skateboards, you’ve done things where you’re completely out of your comfort zone, you don’t know where you’re going to go, you make a decision—how do you deal with fear?

[6:26] Brandon: I mean, fear is always present. I think the word that I try and settle into more is courage. Courage is action despite fear, in the face of fear. And so I try to live a life courageously and I want other people to live a life courageously.

[6:41] Seb: I love that. We’re going to check out the bus. How many miles has this bus traveled?

[6:45] Brandon: This bus in its lifetime has traveled 360,000 miles. I’ve only driven it for 60,000 of those.

[6:51] Seb: Okay got it, okay cool.

[6:53] Brandon: All right, just a little mini tour. Little mini tour. Step right in. All righty, so here we are, we’re at the captain’s chair, right? This is where all the driving happens, you know, makes sense. These up here, these are all of our victims. I’ve taken at least 2,000 of these Instax pictures in the past couple years. I’ve given most of them away. I love them, they’re like 1-of-1 little Pokemon cards. But some of them are still here and, yeah, some pretty interesting moments in there. You ever seen Borat?

[7:26] Seb: Oh, I’ve definitely seen Borat.

[7:27] Brandon: This is me and my friends, we lost a bet. We skated around New York City in Borat singlets.

[7:34] Seb: So, how many people did you take on this bus with you?

[7:36] Brandon: In this bus, we would travel with four to five people. It sleeps three comfortably, six very uncomfortably. So we try to stay somewhere in that range.

[7:47] Seb: Well thanks for showing us that. Brandon, I know you’ve essentially, for the majority of your life, you’ve built this sort of brand—purposefully or not—of this badass, fucking cool, skateboarder, motorcycle guy, you know, like adventurous, cool. You had this like long flowing hair, like you were that guy for a long time. And now you’re set to give a TEDx talk in the coming year, which is awesome, congratulations. Excited about that. And you’ve changed the way you speak and come through, I’ve noticed, on social media and on camera, and you’ve been sharing quite vulnerably about different aspects of your life and different aspects of you. Is it scary to almost all of a sudden show a different side of you outside of this brand of this “badass cool guy” that everyone’s seen you as, in terms of “how am I going to be received? Are people going to still think I’m cool? Are they going to still like me? Are they going to respect me?” Does that happen?

[8:44] Brandon: Yeah, I mean it’s weird. I was even just looking back on some of my Instagram posts from 10 years ago. I will say, 10 years ago I was averaging around 1,000 likes a post. Nowadays I’m averaging like 200, 300 likes a post. And so there’s definitely a part of me for the past few years that’s felt like I’m letting everything I’ve worked for in the skate industry slip through my fingertips. Meaning I spent so long building this identity and finding success in my passion. And the fact is I still love skating—I skate every day—but I don’t want it to be my career forever. And so as I get clear on the things I’m curious about now and excited about now, I’m transitioning away from that being my main identity, and in doing that, so many of the people that were interested in what I was doing, they’re like not interested anymore. And that’s an interesting thing to like, to release. To be okay with.

[9:45] Seb: It’s almost like, you know, you put out a killer album, you got famous on a badass album, and then all of a sudden your music starts to evolve. And you’re like, “We’re going to put out a new album that almost is leaving the genre and is shifting into this other genre and we have a new sound,” and now I know that all the people that supported me originally are probably going to think this album is shit and they’re going to hate on it.

[10:05] Brandon: Yeah, this is my country album.

[10:07] Seb: This is your country album! What was the first album?

[10:09] Brandon: The first album? It was alternative rock. Like Smashing Pumpkins, Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[10:14] Seb: I would have almost said it was more like AC/DC, you know? Like “Dad Rock.”

[10:19] Brandon: Dad rock, which is Dad rock now.

[10:20] Seb: Like the classics.

[10:22] Brandon: Yeah, the classics.

[10:23] Seb: So, you’re getting ready to go into this big trip. You’re basically kind of doing this again. You’re teaming up with something called Traveling Good. Your buddy BC Serna, yeah. And you guys are going to take several buses and you’re basically going to be gone for months. What’s the mission of this? What are you guys doing with that and how did you decide to do this?

[10:44] Brandon: I mean really, the mission is just to bring more hope back to the world and back to our country. We want to highlight the good happening, we want to share stories of good, uplift people that are doing good things, and invite people into more of that. The thing is, you open up your phone right now and you feel like the world’s ending, right? And there are terrible things happening, absolutely. But when you watch this, you feel so helpless. You feel like there’s nothing you can do. And so what do you do? You share Instagram posts, you watch another video, you talk about it. And the problem is most people are spending so much time ruminating in these thoughts and in these ideas and, unfortunately, it’s not super productive. And instead, what we want to do is pivot and channel some of that energy towards actually doing good in your local community and actually showing up in ways that you fully have power. Like, everybody has the power to show up and explore their curiosities and their passions. Everybody has the power to be kind and to be helpful and to show service to their local community and to their friends and to their family. And so we just want to remind people that they’re the creator of their own life and that they have all the power to make good and to make change in the world and to create the world they want to live in.

[12:00] Seb: I love that. That’s awesome, Brandon, you guys are doing that. What does that look like in actuality as opposed to the concept and the idea of wanting to empower people? Like, what does the format look like? Because you’re traveling around the country—what does it look like in each city? You do this, this, this? What is that?

[12:15] Brandon: Yeah, I think there’s like three main elements here. Like, the first element is there’s gotta be joy, there’s gotta be connection, there’s gotta be play. Right? Like that’s number one. People gotta like shake off the cobwebs, people gotta like do something that’s a little bit uncomfortable or a little bit scary, something that they can feel connected to each other through.

[12:35] Seb: And just to stop you real quick—what do these things look like in practice though, Brandon? Like, are these events, community gatherings? You go to these cities—what do these events look like that you want to bring all this inspiration?

[12:47] Brandon: So, high level, it’s going to be a bunch of events around the country. On this tour, we’re going to be hosting 30 “Parties with a Purpose” around the country.

[12:55] Seb: 30 Parties with a Purpose?

[12:56] Brandon: Yes. So think like Daybreaker style events where we invite local nonprofits, give them an opportunity to showcase what they do. Another thing we’ll be doing is collaborating with these local nonprofits to host days of service and days of volunteering. So trying to just like channel all that good energy people get from coming together, enjoying themselves, coming together in play, and then routing that into real tangible impact.

[13:22] Seb: What does that look like? So, real tangible impact—like you get people excited, they come in, they party, maybe they skateboard, there’s nonprofits involved, and then essentially they can get funneled into, “Hey, you can participate in this thing that brings joy and impact to the city.”

[13:36] Brandon: Totally, totally. Beach cleanups, working with youth groups…

[13:40] Seb: How long? Like a two-month journey? Two-to-three-month journey on these buses?

[13:43] Brandon: It might never end.

[13:45] Seb: It might never end. And you know that at least you want to put on 30 parties, 30 events, in 30 different cities. And we were just talking about this idea of lack of control, of like not knowing all the details. Putting on one event and one party is a lot sometimes, and it takes like several weeks or a few months to plan. You’re going to go put on 30 parties and events all at once? How do you not freak out and worry about all the “how” and all the details of each one?

[14:10] Brandon: I am freaking out a little bit. A little bit of freaking out is good because it holds me accountable. If I’m not freaking out a little bit, I’m too comfortable and it’s just never going to happen. And I think that’s where most people get stuck. And so the biggest thing I’ve learned with this and our previous tours is that it requires a village, dude. It’s hard enough to host one event in the city you live in. Now, a city you don’t live in, or a city you’ve never been, it’s much more difficult.

[14:38] Seb: You don’t have the contacts, you don’t know where to do it.

[14:40] Brandon: Right. So we’re leaning on vision and rallying and magnetizing the right people in each city to become key contributors and key supporters. So we’re currently in the process of like building out a network of “champions” and people that are going to help us execute on this. Do we have everything figured out yet? No. Do we know exactly what cities we’re going? No. But we’ve got a pretty good vision of what we want to bring into the world, and by continuing to restate that vision, I’m confident that we’ll magnetize all the right people for it to happen. It might be a little rough around the edges in places, but I think this type of project is one that doesn’t make sense. There’s so many voices in my head that are going, “Why are you doing this again?” and when me and BC talk about this, but then we zoom out and we go, “Wait, this isn’t for us.” It’s not about us. We are uniquely positioned to serve the world in this way, and we’re both ready for a new challenge, a challenge that’s going to call us into a higher purpose and a greater calling. And that’s scary, and I’m here for it. I’m ready for it.

[15:47] Seb: Epic, man. If I ask you, whenever that voice inside your head comes in and says, “Wait, why am I doing this again?”, what is the first thing you go to whenever that happens?

[15:58] Brandon: I just think of the vision of us pulling up into Charlotte for the tour finale event. There’s 500 people there. Press is there. People are crying, people are smiling. We have friends from Los Angeles fly out, people from New York fly out, people from Texas fly out. We have people that drove in a caravan from different places to join us to go to this event—not particularly because they care about this one event so much, but because they care about the movement so much and they’re so married to the vision. And so that idea of that experience and that moment is what makes it all worth it and what is pulling me towards making this happen.

[16:38] Seb: It’s that final moment. That final moment, it’s the culmination of the entire mission and vision coming together at the end. Every time you think, “Why the fuck am I doing this? Why the hell am I doing this? What was I thinking?”, you just picture that moment.

[16:53] Brandon: It’s the vision where we show up and one of my friends is handing their favorite nonprofit a $10,000 check. Someone’s on stage crying. I’m leading and speaking and facilitating and… yeah, it’s just a dream.

[17:08] Seb: I love it. And it’ll happen.

[17:10] Brandon: It will. I mean, now I can’t back out.

[17:12] Seb: Now you definitely can’t back out!

[17:14] Brandon: Yeah, it reminds me a little bit, man—I’ve done this multiple times, but there was once where I told people I was going to start daily vlogging. This is like 2017 or 2018. And so I was like, “Man, if you’re serious, you just gotta tell everybody.” So I told all the skateboard magazines, like I emailed them and I was like, “Hey guys, I’m going to start daily vlogging.” And they’re like, “Uh, okay.” You know what I mean? Like, they didn’t—if you really want to do something and it’s out of your comfort zone, tell everybody you’re going to do it. Tell everybody you’re going to do it. Literally. Yeah, that’s exactly what I did. So I did that, I made Instagram posts, “Hey guys, I’m going to start daily vlogging,” and I remember on January 1st, 2017 or 2018—whatever it was—I woke up in the back of my van having slept over some New Year’s party with one of my buddies and we’re like cuddling these two girls in the back of my van and I just remember waking up and being like, “Oh my God, I told everyone I was going to start daily vlogging today.”

[18:08] Seb: That’s classic. Waking up on Jan 1st?

[18:10] Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, “Uh, guys, I gotta go. I don’t know what I’m going to shoot today, but I guess…”

[18:16] Seb: That’s classic. But it was that telling people it’s going to happen, and then it just—it has to happen. So when you tell people you’re going to do something that’s uncomfortable, there’s the accountability aspect—okay, I told my friends or I told people publicly that I’m going to do something, now you’re accountable. And there’s something about speaking it into existence. Like you put it out there. It’s kind of like putting things in writing as opposed to just sitting there and thinking about it in your shower. This is the most iconic skatepark in the world.

[18:43] Brandon: It’s one of the most. I mean, it definitely has the most spectators. Most skateparks don’t have an audience. Most skateparks are just random. We’re at the Venice Skatepark. It’s one of the most iconic skateparks in the world. It typically has a massive audience—there’s not a ton at the moment right now, chill day, but what a beautiful winter day. But what comes up for you most when you think about like pro skateboarding memories? Like, what is the first thing that comes up?

[19:12] Brandon: The races I’ve won and the races I’ve almost won.

[19:16] Seb: Something I’ve heard a lot of pro athletes say that have played in multiple championships is that they say that it hurts more to lose a championship than it feels good to win. Do you think that’s the same for you? Has it hurt more to lose big races or does it feel better to win big races?

[19:34] Brandon: It hurts more when you lose. I remember there was one event in specific in Austria and it was the semi-final. It was pouring rain—middle of the summer, but pouring rain. 35 degrees outside. Like some crazy Alps storm. And downhill skating in the rain is very difficult. It’s super, super, super slippery. And I remember I’m changing my wheels because in the rain you normally have these wheels that have the grooves cut out of them so your wheels are almost kind of sharp. And I’m changing my wheels and it was last second and the guy’s like, “We gotta go now! Okay, 10 seconds,” and I’m changing my wheels. I only had chance to change two of my wheels. So two of my wheels were perfectly smooth brand new wheels and two of my wheels were all cut up. This is like some F1 stuff, but skateboards. Yeah, well and the problem was I was like, “Okay, well it’s better than nothing, at least two of my wheels are grippy.” But I put them on the wrong side. Meaning I put the grippy wheels on the front. And I thought that was going to be the right move, but as I took every turn, the front gripped so much but the back just—and so I crashed in every corner. And it was such a bummer because I was doing so good in the race and it was one where I thought I was going to go to the finals and I thought I was going to potentially win it. And yeah, to just last minute have it pouring rain and me to change and not change right and just feel like it was the gear and it was a rookie choice by me… that was, yeah, it was a huge bummer.

[21:04] Seb: All right, so the pain from a loss like that and the rookie mistake, right, that cost you the race. Wouldn’t you say that perhaps you get even more value from what you learn from that for future races?

[21:16] Brandon: Definitely, definitely. I mean, when you win, you don’t exactly know why you won.

[21:21] Seb: Oh, really?

[21:22] Brandon: It’s easy to be like, “Well, of course, I trained and I practiced and I just did perfect and whatever,” but you don’t really know what you could have done better. It’s just like it worked, all the pieces came together, it worked. Whereas when you lose or when you mess something out, there’s a much stronger feedback loop of like, “Yep, that was the thing that I’m never going to do again.” Yeah, so you definitely learn more from failures and I think that’s one of the things that I’ve tried to embody is like “fail often, fail quick” because that’s the quickest way to learn.

[21:52] Seb: I feel like I’m on a new wave for me personally in my life of failing more and failing faster. Before, I mean, I had heard that phrase but it didn’t really stick much with me—it’s like, “Well, no, screw that, I don’t want to fail more.” You know what I mean? Or fail fast. But really “fail fast” is really just about making decisions fast. It’s about making more decisions at a faster pace because at the end of the day, most failures will really just be micro-failures. Like, they’re not going to be things that completely make or break your thing. Once in a while you’re going to have one failure that maybe completely broke this one thing or project or vision or business or whatever, but most of the time, they’re just micro-failures, they’re little decisions and you just keep adjusting. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter so much.

[22:36] Brandon: It doesn’t matter so much.

[22:37] Seb: All right dude, so what are you going to tell us right now that you haven’t been telling people publicly yet that we’re going to put you on the hook for and hold you accountable for? What’s one thing that you’re working on right now you haven’t really been sharing?

[22:48] Brandon: Dang! Okay, well, I mean man, honestly, the first thing that comes to mind is so specifically related to you.

[22:56] Seb: Why is it specific to me?

[22:58] Brandon: Well, it’s specific to you because it’s my podcast. And I’ve been too much of a perfectionist—

[23:04] Seb: Oh!

[23:05] Brandon: Oh bro, let’s talk all day about perfectionism!

[23:07] Seb: I know, because I’ve got all these episodes filmed, especially yours which is, you know, obviously the best one. And I’ve been reluctant to put it out because I haven’t prioritized creating the short-form content yet and I worry that the second I release this, and now five episodes are out and now episodes are coming out every week, it’s going to completely consume my time because I’m going to be like trying to edit these… and so I’ve found myself caught in this inaction because of fear of that feeling overwhelming and cutting into the rest of my busy schedule. So, if I’m answering your question correctly right here right now, I’m committing to setting a launch date for that.

[23:51] Seb: Well, it’s already there. The stuff’s already done. It’s like I could wait, it could come out in May dude, and it could be like the coolest launch ever, but it’s… I’m just kind of at this point where I’m like, “Man, I’m just overthinking it now” and I feel like I want to be practicing what I’m preaching. Right, we were just talking about—

[24:08] Brandon: Perfectionism is literally the worst thing man. It just blocks you, it stops you, it kills you with inaction. And also, when it comes to that stuff, what you were just telling me earlier about like asking for help and not having to do it all on your own, you know what I mean? Like, you can also just ask for some help. You know a lot of people. If you just ask for some help, what is the last little push that needs to get you to launch it? There’s no perfect man. It’s not going to be perfect.

[24:33] Brandon: Yeah, I think it’s just the accountability man. The big thing like with this project, I haven’t yet said a launch date.

[24:40] Seb: So what’s the launch date? I like the idea of—drumroll please—the launch date for Keep Pushing, Brandon DesJarlais’s podcast about stories of people that are doing exactly that. They keep pushing and they’re doing epic things in the world. Launch date? Tune in, I’ll share it with you all obviously.

[25:01] Seb: Thank you bro. Stoked for you. You’re the man B. I appreciate you. I appreciate you too man. I’m proud of you. Keep doing what you’re doing, you’re bringing impact to the world, you’re bringing awareness. I’m try my best. Yeah man, you really just bringing a lot of love and awareness and impact to the world and you step out of your comfort zone, you make decisions and you conquer fear whether it’s like bombing hills dude, or massive airs… and now you’re doing it with a podcast and going around the country throwing 30 different parties. So keep doing you my brother.

[25:31] Brandon: Thank you. Thank you Seb. Appreciate you man.

[25:34] Seb: Yeah man.